3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[Cook]

votecount 1.8

Dwlee99 (3): Marashu, ssbm_Kyouko, SirCakez

Thor Ragnarok (3): Dragon of the West, Robert M Hunter, Nero Cain

SirCakez (2): T3, Gamma Emerald
cyrus62 (2): JamesTheNames, redtea
JamesTheNames (1): Dwlee99

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a consensus.

(expired on 2021-08-30 14:54:57) to deadline.

[Dragon of the West]

i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today

and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803

also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947

this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....

Redtea honestly feels a little fabricated. Might be because I haven't played with them before, but it just doesn't feel like genuine posting. Like the meta 'reads' are easy enough filler to fake as scum

Dragon #596
gee maybe you should READ THEM THEN

My issue with your meta posts more specifically is that you say something really nondescript like "They're acting similar to this game I linked"...but don't expand on what is similar or what about the similarities is actually scum indicative or town indicative. I could read an ISO if I wanted, but that's not telling me what you're actually getting out of them. Part of this also comes from the fact that I don't like metadiving. I'll use my familiarity with players from previous games I've played with them, but I'm not reading through old games I wasn't a part of and didn't have to think through in the moment to guide my opinion on a current game

So if someone's going to do that, I want to see WHAT is similar and why they feel it's indicative

@Gamma

[Dwlee99]

I understand it is hard to post from that situation but have your reads not changed at all lately?

[Dragon of the West]

votecount 1.8

Dwlee99 (3): Marashu, ssbm_Kyouko, SirCakez

SirCakez (2): T3, Gamma Emerald
Thor Ragnarok (2): Dragon of the West, Robert M Hunter
cyrus62 (1): JamesTheNames, redtea
Robert M Hunter (1): Nero Cain
JamesTheNames (1): Dwlee99
Nero Cain (1): Thor Ragnarok

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a consensus.

(expired on 2021-08-30 14:54:57) to deadline.

Pretty sure Nero is voting Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

What are the other examples of redtea meta reads this game? Based how you explained it it’s happened a few times up to now

[Dragon of the West]

Here's some of the earlier examples

Spoiler:

sooo... i also... did some meta can you believe it. flipped some of my reads. guess it pays sometimes.
except for Thor who has nothing to meta, and i have no read on.

kyouko: town or third party
t3: town or third party
sircakez: town-lean

megAz: very unsure
nero cain: very unsure
marashu: no idea
DotW: didn't meta, too early to form an opinion

Robert M: didn't meta, but scum-lean
jamesthenames: probably scum, but

could

be improved town
cyrus: scum

VOTE: cyrus62

It takes me all about 45 mins to a hour to read 25 pages in a book. So 9 pages would take me to about 25 to 30 mins with me going in deep and reading each line twice.

i don't know about you all but it takes me longer to read a mafia game than a book. Think you're in the minority my guy

Any way I see that we had a lot actively early but now it has faded and no ones even scum hunting at all besides James ,Nero red tea and my self.

you?????
lmfao no you're not. i know you can and you're not.
like i want to believe's dragon's read because he's played with you before but I'm not convinced.

I have always been a very quick reader how is that scummy

i did not mean to imply anything by that comment, other than that you have unreasonable expectations

i could act scummy if you like james everything i have done so far fits my town meta though.

How does that make you town?
How would I know this isn't scum you acting in what you think is your "town meta".
This isn't a valid defence nor a reason not to scum read you, it only increases my confidence because you can't come up with a coherent excuse.

hard agree also it doesnt fit his town meta afaik

but could be improved town

This is just for my understanding because I've seen it before but never actually asked what it means, what does "improved town" mean?

er, what i mean is based on your meta. your scum play had a much more imbalanced word count/substance ratio. Your current play seems more balanced, but you're also definitely participating more than what I saw in your town games. Based on that, either you're scum toning it down, or town improving your game, is what my thoughts were.

Red tea I'm hunting scum I just don't give town reads leans or nul reads nor do I give scum reads leans . If I think I found scum I vote them till I see a flip.

okay. I didn't say you're not giving reads. I said you're not hunting.

i'm so glad kyouko can do mechanics analysis AND scumhunt. a godsend. get you a girl who can do both
ill sheep kyouku on rmh if we cant get cyrus today

and now
i present my case
recent cyrus town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87032
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87116
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86803

also recent cyrus town, more similar to his play this game but noticeably different
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86947

this is cyrus scum. On one hand, this seems to have been his first scum game after a hiatus. On the other hand, it looks more like his play this game than the others.
(actually- is this his only scum game so far?)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

i have other posts half-written but im tired after meta-ing again lol. ill come back to them later....

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay nah I don’t think that’s entirely genuine from redtea
The Cyrus case feels a bit like trying to fit cyrus’ play into the mold redtea want it to fit in
VOTE: Redtea

[Gamma Emerald]

The first post in that spoiler is probably the biggest red flag by being vague conclusions with little backing evidence

[Dragon of the West]

Have you played with redtea before? This is the first time I've played with them so I'm afraid I'm reading into their play wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

no, but tbh he strikes me as perhaps similar to The Other Thor

[cyrus62]

i just realized i lied somewhere about vla by mistake i intended to set the record straight i have gone vla once during the 4th of July.

[T3]

wtf why is dwlee scum

[Dragon of the West]

Trust me, it'd be a bad idea to vote me out. I don't really know how to use my role but it has a lot of potential if I target the right person with it, just trust me on this one.

If you want to vote me out because you think scum will recruit me, fair enough, I get it, but otherwise it's a really bad idea.

Why would anyone trust you to use a strong role you don't know how to use if you're town

[Dragon of the West]

no, but tbh he strikes me as perhaps similar to The Other Thor

Idk The Other Thor but I'll go back to redtea if the votes are there. I don't like Thor's reaction to receiving votes

[Marashu]

VOTE: Dwlee

Who are you town reads, ssbm?

RMH, Marashu, Thor, and if they aren't cult, Dwlee and Cyrus.

Just saw this. Including people you think may be scum in your town reads seems strange. I'm assuming that since you're voting for Dwlee, you think Dwlee!cult > Dwlee!town, so why in your town reads?

[Marashu]

I'm starting to feel cold about Dwlee tbh. Two things kinda jumped out at me with his recent play that I've been thinking about

in circles

. First, he was ready to claim with 2, maybe 3 votes. Either that's scum buckling under pressure or impatient town. Second, when I said I was looking for people on the list, his reaction was to point me to James. That is NAI, but I feel like scum!Dwlee would quote the post to try to get me to vote there.

I'm not against voting Thor and might consolidate there. I hadn't really considered redtea very deeply beyond getting townish vibes. I can review that. I'm against cyrus, and I think I'm against James right now but am willing to revisit that D2. As for Cakez... because cakez keeps getting brought up, I keep looking, but I'm really having a hard time seeing scum!cakez, let alone cult!cakez.

[Marashu]

Interesting that redtea asked me about whether I thought kyouko could be deepwolf, without also raising the possibility that I could be deepwolf. A lot of comments about others who are culthunting could really apply to myself as well. So I'm not entirely sure what redtea was trying to accomplish besides maybe shake up towncore.

[cyrus62]

@mod why is my vote not on james?

[SirCakez]

I think we are very unlikely to hit cult leader and rn you're voting town which is worse than voting out mafia.

Who should I vote then?

okay
I guess my main question is "why the focus on the cult?" Based on the setup details I guess the cult could end up being quite powerful if allowed any traction but idk what exactly dictated the stuff that happened with the role rand

This is a dumb question
If we don't get Cult within like two days it's probably GG. Ofc it's my focus.

[Dwlee99]

Who should I vote then?

[SirCakez]

I think we are very unlikely to hit cult leader and rn you're voting town which is worse than voting out mafia.

okay
I guess my main question is "why the focus on the cult?" Based on the setup details I guess the cult could end up being quite powerful if allowed any traction but idk what exactly dictated the stuff that happened with the role rand

yeah just doing a ctrl+f of the word "cult" in cyrus' ISO I don't think he's ringing the same bell cakez's posting did

I think Gamma is scum here
It feels like he came into this game with an agenda and his arguments for me being scum are ridiculousl

[SirCakez]

Fuck my phone is doing the thing with the stuck quotes again

[Gamma Emerald]

sure m8

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma
MegA was scummy too

[SirCakez]

I'd be down with voting Thor, James, or Cyrus if any of those end up being the only viable lims; I'm assuming I'm off about the no lim thing but I'm interested to hear what people think about it.

Cyrus claiming VT makes that a fine alternate to the no lim because he's either lying or we don't have to worry about limming a PR

I agree with this also
I'd vote Thor as a PL basically