Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant read it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.

I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.

Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?

This is talking about my stance on Enchant

[Titus]

Could someone who was scum... make this??

Oh it's a picture of me and the worst in 20 years! You even drew my judge's robe! Your label is sads though.

[Titus]

Does Xtoxm like playing one alignment over the other?

VOTE: Gamma

My scumread on Miss Midnight was because it felt like she was playing whack a mole but only punching the moles halfway with the hammer, like when she said she thought me listing 3 most likely scum positions was an attempt at really bad shade, when it was just an observation. She's applied a little more force on the Gamma whack though which I like.

Hi wolfy poppins. No wait, bunny poppins.

You see a new wagon to Enchant and you be hoppin like it was a carrot.

[Titus]

interesting wagon shift

Concur. I smell wagon shopping to avoid Enchant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does Xtoxm like playing one alignment over the other?

VOTE: Gamma

My scumread on Miss Midnight was because it felt like she was playing whack a mole but only punching the moles halfway with the hammer, like when she said she thought me listing 3 most likely scum positions was an attempt at really bad shade, when it was just an observation. She's applied a little more force on the Gamma whack though which I like.

Hi wolfy poppins. No wait, bunny poppins.

You see a new wagon to Enchant and you be hoppin like it was a carrot.

That fact did not escape me

[Titus]

What do you like about it? Why aren't you voting there then?

I was not an active participant in the Enchant discussion (granted, a significant bit happened while I was asleep) and given I had mild interaction with him earlier plus my general thread presence otherwise it seemed like a good attack.

Why would I vote there? I know that any association argument would be inherently incorrect.

-Harvey

Your whole posts made no sense about liking it. If you liked just the parts about Enchant and Thor, then why not vote Enchant? I didn't expect you to take the position that my attack on you was reasonable as players rarely take that PoV.

[Harvey and Haley]

@Harvey: what games of mine do you primarily rely on when meta’ing me?

It's condensed, I can't recall specific games - but the "meta" I'm using that you usually express greater nuance in reads, is that incorrect?

Enchant read

it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.

I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.

Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?

Bolded refers to Gamma's read on Enchant, I believe.

I'm not saying you have to wall (in fact, please don't), but I guess I expected you to distill it down to a couple of points and nip it in the bud or something.

This feels reasonable

And what do you make out of that post being reasonable? Feels like a very arbitrary post to quote and mention reasonable.

Concur. I smell wagon shopping to avoid Enchant.

What would you suppose were/are the other wagons being shopped?

Your whole posts made no sense about liking it. If you liked just the parts about Enchant and Thor, then why not vote Enchant? I didn't expect you to take the position that my attack on you was reasonable as players rarely take that PoV.

I did not like all your posts re: Enchant and Thor. I specifically liked one point of yours that called out "awkward interactions between H+H and Enchant/Thor". And while I like that point, I know it is not true - since I'm town.

I like taking a "if I was in their spot would I feel that about Auro" perspective and evaluating from there.

-Harvey

[Gamma Emerald]

It's condensed, I can't recall specific games - but the "meta" I'm using that you usually express greater nuance in reads, is that incorrect?

To a point it’s correct
I’m trying to re-adjust how I read because I’ve felt like I’ve been missing the mark more than I should, so that might be why I’ve been off from what you expect

[Gamma Emerald]

And what do you make out of that post being reasonable? Feels like a very arbitrary post to quote and mention reasonable.

It’s not exactly AI, I’m just like “that feels like the thing I would do when faced with a wallcase against me, good to know me and catscratch think alike”

[Enchant]

I just remembered.

Titus, could you say why i looks scared? Because i am never scared.
Well. Unless i need decide things.

[Miss Midnight]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

Why is this pedit aligned to the right? I wasn't able to spot it easily.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-Harvey

Yeah I was literally about to say, great modding by Datisi to catch that. I saw that votecount and had to go back and check, somehow missed that vote despite seeing that page probably a double digit number of times.

[Miss Midnight]

You'll have to excuse me if I eschew the typical style of a full spampost catch up, I think it might double the length of the thread. And that's if I could even get through it before passing out.

Also, yeah. That's how far behind I am, in case it wasn't clear. Back to it.

These feel mildly performative and are a waste of space

Said the pot to the kettle.

[Gamma Emerald]

I at least try to include my mid-catch up asides within my catch up posting

[House]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

Hard disagree.

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

That one opinion being invalidated by others does not automatically negate everything else she claimed to read into my posts.

[House]

how is that missing that Titus knows Thor?

You don't address her knowledge of his playstyle at all.

(Yes, they do know each other)

Great, on top of meta...meta that I'm inferred to know and expected to use...

I inferred no such thing.

If i made an erroneous assumption i apologize, but i could have sworn that you knew his main.

[Miss Midnight]

For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.

Why

was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?

I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.

Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.

[House]

Enchant read it's waffle-ish, but given that it's d1, that is whatevs.

I truly loathe his progression on Manatee, though. That has bothered me for a long time.

Why is my stance questionable but Enchant gets a pass because it's day 1?

I was referring to Gamma's read on Enchant.

It's common for people to be unsure/waffle on reads on d1.

I don't think I've criticized you for waffling, have i?

[Gamma Emerald]

For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.

Why

was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?

I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.

Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.

Okay
Why do you think Thor would have wanted to hop on me like that?

[Miss Midnight]

Oh it's a picture of me and the worst in 20 years! You even drew my judge's robe! Your label is sads though.

I don't think so. (You are still looking stylish, though.)

[Miss Midnight]

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.

you're right, but does manatee know that?

[Miss Midnight]

For the record, and it truly is for the record because the thread has probably moved past this discourse by now, none of my scumread on Thor was based on a "weird" playstyle or any of the random stats posts. It was primarily based off of the vote on Gamma, which I think was pretty heavily scummy. Don't think the stats posts themselves are scum indicative, but also they're not town indicative. Think the most revealing parts of Thor's ISO, as I've seen it from what I've read until, come from posts voting, discussing votes or talking about reads.

Why

was the vote on me scummy, and how does it alter your read of me?

I think that it was pretty clear from the beginning of your whole interaction with House that much of it was really about external stuff and not about in-game stuff. Not that I want to retread any of this, but House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself. We can speculate on the hypothetical motivation for a scum Thor, but the basic fact doesn't change that it doesn't seem especially town motivated to me.

Thor's vote on you there has no bearing on my read on you.

Okay
Why do you think Thor would have wanted to hop on me like that?

I'm not sure I see the relevance. I don't think that everything scum does has to be part of some scum plot or agenda. Think that this may have just been a not really thought through vote indicative of the underlying mindset, like I said.

[House]

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

Nobody really needs "excuses" to stop voting somewhere. You can just do it and probably nobody will really make a big deal about it.

Lol.

Considering how long and vocally she was pushing me, just hopping off with no comment would have been noticed.

[Miss Midnight]

I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure I see the relevance. I don't think that everything scum does has to be part of some scum plot or agenda. Think that this may have just been a not really thought through vote indicative of the underlying mindset, like I said.

what alignment do you think scum!Thor would be more willing to hop on for bad reasons?