Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[ManateeGal]

finally

[ManateeGal]

guh. i'll probably need to reread the game tomorrow to get a grip on shit

[the worst]

Oh I love the good place.

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not. The wagon kind of just disappeared.

MM is a hell of a wildcard for me.
They've played pretty hard so far, in a way that I

think

should be identifiable via purity later in the game.
I think they've committed to the kind of momentum I wanted to see from them and if it drops off it's going to look agenda-driven.

I think their content looks, at surface level, like it's solvey enough that it could easily be coming from town.
That carries the caveat that I don't really know their scumrange, and can't comfortably say that what they

are

showing is far outside of a lot of players' scumranges.
They should also become progressively easier to read rather than the inverse so I've lost a lot of interest in wagoning them.

[the worst]

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not.

That's why an unexplained townread with meme rationale is sus.

strangely enough i would love a read that was like"miss midnight smells towny to me leave me alone". the swing & miss at justifying the read feels kinda performative.

[the worst]

i'm so shook.

If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

Not a bad vote

Aside from the fact he had zero faith in it, perhaps.

I think it shows that he lacks confidence as a player, especially when his townread calls Penguin obv town. But it's like a weird thing to do as scum.

maybe it is pure. if enchant is scum i can't really decide what he's doing at the moment. but i can't decide if he necessarily needs to be doing anything.
hrm.

[the worst]

i'd rather gamma or thor to manatee to miss midnight at this point.

[House]

Oh I love the good place.

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not. The wagon kind of just disappeared.

MM is a hell of a wildcard for me.
They've played pretty hard so far, in a way that I

think

should be identifiable via purity later in the game.
I think they've committed to the kind of momentum I wanted to see from them and if it drops off it's going to look agenda-driven.

I think their content looks, at surface level, like it's solvey enough that it could easily be coming from town.
That carries the caveat that I don't really know their scumrange, and can't comfortably say that what they

are

showing is far outside of a lot of players' scumranges.
They should also become progressively easier to read rather than the inverse so I've lost a lot of interest in wagoning them.

MM isn't my first choice, but for some inexplicable reason nobody is considering Manatee.

In a game full of players joking and screwing around, she's all



and blah blah blah personality blah blah... but i think it has more to do with role pm. Getting that red pm is demoralizing on this site right now.

[Miss Midnight]

I'm not sure I see the relevance. I don't think that everything scum does has to be part of some scum plot or agenda. Think that this may have just been a not really thought through vote indicative of the underlying mindset, like I said.

what alignment do you think scum!Thor would be more willing to hop on for bad reasons?

Why does it matter? If you're trying to argue that me thinking this should lead to me believing that you're more likely to be town, I'm not so arrogant as to be unable to consider different worlds in which I may not be right. I can scumread Thor but consider a world in which he's town but you're scum. And vice versa. Not all of your scumreads need to be fit together as partners at all times without any flips whatsoever, that would be a wildly ineffective way to play the game.

it feels more like you're trying to skirt around the chance I'm town because I'm the juicy miselim wagon rn

Don't really know what this means. Also, I'm the first vote on your wagon? Not really sure what you're alleging.

Responding to 1306, what am I "waffling" on? What do you even mean that I'm not "acknowledging the chance that [you] could be town"? In this very post of mine you're quoting here I acknowledge a possible world in which you're town. Genuinely just have no clue what point you're trying to make.

[Miss Midnight]

Damnit Gamma, I'm trying to entertain the notion that you might be scum. Stop making that impossible!

VOTE: Miss Midnight

What are you even agreeing with him on? Genuine question. I really don't understand what he's saying. Perhaps you can explain it.

[Miss Midnight]

okay, but it feels like she's putting more emphasis on the gamma!scum read than the thor!scum read

Yeah. I think you're scummier.

????

What does this have to do with "skirting around the chance [you're] town"?

[House]

Damnit Gamma, I'm trying to entertain the notion that you might be scum. Stop making that impossible!

VOTE: Miss Midnight

What are you even agreeing with him on? Genuine question. I really don't understand what he's saying. Perhaps you can explain it.

1304 & 1306.

You seemed invested in scumreading Gamma.

[Miss Midnight]

I feel like MM v Gamma is SvT.

MM's interactions don't feel like good faith.

Also, low-key not a fan of stuff like this:

I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.

... Last i checked, she was already townreading me anyway. It comes across as trying to keep me leashed with a townread cookie or someshit.

Leashed how? Telling people to their faces that you think they have an overinflated sense of importance is probably not the optimal way to get people to like you or to do what you want them to do. Which should be a decent indication that I said it because I think it's true rather than for some ulterior motive. Not sure what kind of razor-filled ash and charcoal cookies you've been eating if that seems like a "townread cookie" to you.

[Miss Midnight]

Damnit Gamma, I'm trying to entertain the notion that you might be scum. Stop making that impossible!

VOTE: Miss Midnight

What are you even agreeing with him on? Genuine question. I really don't understand what he's saying. Perhaps you can explain it.

1304 & 1306.

You seemed invested in scumreading Gamma.

Okay?

[Miss Midnight]

Are we using different definitions for something here? Not trying to overstate anything or exaggerate, but I'm still missing the connection between this and any sort of point whatsoever, especially one that leads to me being scum.

[House]

razor-filled ash & charcoal is my 2nd favorite flavor.

If you had given me arsenic laced & glass chunk cookies, it would have worked.

[Miss Midnight]

What do you think of my vote on you? Or the worst's? Are those materially different from Gamma's vote?

Not much, really. Which sounds dismissive, but from what I've seen so far it seems like every vote on me is mostly just an extension of that phase from earlier where everyone was hopping on wagons mostly just to hop on them and see if it would build any sort of pressure. I'm not actually sure if anyone voting me except Thor actually scumreads me. Don't think anyone including Thor has actually given any reasons. I sort of get the motivation though. Beneath the outer layer of this mysterious, enigmatic and incredibly stylish player lies the true, sensitive heart of a poet. So it makes sense to want to try to see deeper.

Don't think the votes on me and Gamma's vote have anything to do with each other. The fact that you even ask makes me think I probably still have explained what I was trying to say there worse than I could have.

Yeah sorry, I might need an ELI5 on what kind of Harvey-related content you expected to see in Gamma's ISO. I feel like 1211 pointed out the trajectory that lead Gamma to a Harvey vote. Does that not fit the bill?

For one, and it's a pretty relevant one I'd say, I think that Gamma probably would have commented on the whole thing between Flea and Harvey. Don't think that two posts about RQS being scummy really constitutes a "trajectory", but "trajectory" is tangent to my point. To me, talking about a lack of "trajectory" implies that it's more about the change of a read that bothers you. I think in my case the better term would be a lack of history.

[Miss Midnight]

razor-filled ash & charcoal is my 2nd favorite flavor.

If you had given me arsenic laced & glass chunk cookies, it would have worked.

Cute, but do you actually have a response or no?

[House]

razor-filled ash & charcoal is my 2nd favorite flavor.

If you had given me arsenic laced & glass chunk cookies, it would have worked.

Cute, but do you actually have a response or no?

You had a question that wasn't rhetorical? I must've missed it (not hyperbole, I have my own communication issues, which is why I'm sensitive to them).

Could you rephrase and/or restate, please?

[Miss Midnight]

A few questions:

1) What do you mean by "leashed"? And how does telling someone directly that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitute it?
2) What do you mean by me being "invested" in scumreading Gamma?
3) How does that then translate to me being scum, or make it impossible for you to see Gamma as scum, as you say in 1307?

[Miss Midnight]

For one, and it's a pretty relevant one I'd say, I think that Gamma probably would have commented on the whole thing between Flea and Harvey. Don't think that two posts about RQS being scummy really constitutes a "trajectory", but "trajectory" is tangent to my point. To me, talking about a lack of "trajectory" implies that it's more about the change of a read that bothers you. I think in my case the better term would be a lack of history.

I want to elaborate on this "history" point to maybe explain myself better. If you were investigating whether some famous battle took place somewhere, or some famous person lived somewhere, you should expect to be able to find evidence supporting that. Some kind of record should exist: bullets from a battle, old records with signatures, whatever. If you can't find much of that or what is there is weak, it undermines the credibility of the original claim. This is sort of one of the points that I'm trying to make about the Harvey vote; in addition to the phrasing itself, I feel as though this "historical record" for the read is lacking, especially in situations where I imagine it really shouldn't be.

[House]

1) What do you mean by "leashed"? And how does telling someone directly that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitute it?

This is a bad faith question, and supports what i said about your interactions.

My leash comment had nothing to do with your derogatory remarks. It was about the "town indicative" bit. I don't see how you would even think about around the question you did, here. Who the fuck considers being insulted a tool to control that player?

2) What do you mean by me being "invested" in scumreading Gamma?

Unwilling to consider a world where he's town. If you have stated such a possibility, I've missed it.

3) How does that then translate to me being scum, or make it impossible for you to see Gamma as scum, as you say in 1307?

I liked his post. *shrug* You'll also find that absolute statements aren't all that absolute when they're coming from me.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay, but it feels like she's putting more emphasis on the gamma!scum read than the thor!scum read

Yeah. I think you're scummier.

????

What does this have to do with "skirting around the chance [you're] town"?

Well just think about what it took to get that out of you

[House]

around = asking

[Miss Midnight]

1) What do you mean by "leashed"? And how does telling someone directly that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitute it?

This is a bad faith question, and supports what i said about your interactions.

My leash comment had nothing to do with your derogatory remarks. It was about the "town indicative" bit. I don't see how you would even think about around the question you did, here. Who the fuck considers being insulted a tool to control that player?

I have no idea, that's exactly why I was asking you. So maybe let me ask a different question. Do you really think that telling someone that I think something they said was town indicative

after

directly telling them that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitutes an attempt at "leashing"? I just want to hear you clarify exactly what you're saying about what I said there. My judgment of what someone would say to someone when attempting to "leash" or pocket them seems to be quite different than yours.

And, for the record, as bad as it sounds it wasn't meant to be derogatory when I said that. It was purely a statement of my personal judgement that you were misperceiving an interaction related to yourself and seemed to consistently perceive interactions that involved yourself as being more important to other people than I perceived them as being. Obviously I recognize that connotatively what I said is still probably a negative thing to say, just clarifying my intentions.

[Miss Midnight]

okay, but it feels like she's putting more emphasis on the gamma!scum read than the thor!scum read

Yeah. I think you're scummier.

????

What does this have to do with "skirting around the chance [you're] town"?

Well just think about what it took to get that out of you

???