Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Flea The Magician]

me_irl

same apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

well on page 70 it appears once again I'm being wagoned with no actual reasoning being given, either for the votes or the reads.

[Flea The Magician]

I thought faer hop onto Gamma was awkward

I feel like fae would've mentioned something about voting the same person as faer top scumread for most of the day (Auro)

General dissatisfaction with the leading wagons

Well it appears MM is at least able to extract some information.

The replace out of the hydra to a single player while still suspicious does confirm that Xtomx is really not feeling the game. My interactions with auro were good enough that I could bump them to a neutral read. Given also that end of phase is approaching it was time to begin consolidating and not riding what was essentially a vanity wagon with me being the sole participant.

damned if you, damned if you dont I guess.

[Flea The Magician]

only scum have things to do irl. down with auro!

this is stale now.

[Flea The Magician]

Wait, but he also pagetopped.

Shit, now I don't know what to do.

this is stale, not the last one

[Flea The Magician]

Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, this is what I believe we should do:
The night 3 vigilante should be left alive until night 3.
The 1-shot vig should not shoot if scum is voted out on day 1. If town is voted out, they should.
The ascetic cop should check who they think is scum but is unlikely to be voted out the next day.
The draft cop can check whoever they like to see if they have a role.
The doctor should protect a universally townread person.
The universal backup should wait.
The neighbouriser should target someone they think they will get along and solve with.
The Jailkeeper should target their biggest scumread.

If we have the setup on the right:
The vengeful should claim when death is assured and kill a consensus scumread.
The PGO should not activate and save themselves for later.
The bulletproof should enjoy themselves.
The 1-shot watcher should not do anything on the first night.
The roleblocker should target their biggest scumread.
The rolecop should target a scumread they're worried might be a cop.
The voyuer should target a high interest player.
The tracker should target their biggest scumread that won't immediately be voted out.

If we follow all of these actions, we can probably win this game from the sheer amount of roles that will be in town's hands. We just need to make sure foolish things aren't done like vigilantes shooting like heroes or cops checking players that will be voted out the next day anyway.

Strike 3, you're out!
VOTE: Thor

[Flea The Magician]

I find it funny how sure you are!

Post-Edit: No, because your outrage here seems genuine, and attacking a possible townslip as scum is always risky if others disagree with you

And confirmation of your intent to townslip.

[Enchant]

No.

What is wrong in trying to coordinate town PRs?

[Flea The Magician]

Thor what benefit do you think bringing back mechanical talk at this late stage of D1 brings to the game?
Given the amount of mechanics you've discussed over the day, why not bring this up earlier?
If you have read any of these games previously, how can you be so blatantly unaware of the setup mechanics on multiple fronts?

The timing of this makes me think that Thor and Manatee are aligned, having played with Manatee before she has frozen as scum.
VOTE: Manatee because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

No.

What is wrong in trying to coordinate town PRs?

Nothing, however, this is massively misinterpreting the setup and almost deliberately so near the end of the in what I can only assume is an attempt to muddy the waters.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and as for WWSF do, scum flea would absolutely vote enchant for that wagon.

Enchant either goes super townie and becomes untouchable, or super scummy.
Gamma can be raged or made apathetic and made to appear scummy.

[the worst]

i totally made a tier list of last minute flashwagon prospects. omitted myself for obvious reasons, but i think i'd flatter myself to say that i rank in around b.

{thor}
{flea, manatee}
{miss midnight}
{ss}
{bee, pp}
{csf, titus, auro, house}

This doesn't answer my questions.

i am but a slave to popularity.

VOTE: flea

back to enchant if this doesn't take off.

And this negates that previous post.

Kinda down with Flea too but I think that'd be like drawing blood from a stone with how fae would react.

*waves*

didn't see you had questions, can you repeat them?

my vote on you does not negate the previous post at all. lol.

[the worst]

Thor what benefit do you think bringing back mechanical talk at this late stage of D1 brings to the game?
Given the amount of mechanics you've discussed over the day, why not bring this up earlier?
If you have read any of these games previously, how can you be so blatantly unaware of the setup mechanics on multiple fronts?

The timing of this makes me think that Thor and Manatee are aligned, having played with Manatee before she has frozen as scum.
VOTE: Manatee because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

huh, actually huge mood. I don't think I have (or want to expend) the clout to wagon Thor so abruptly this late in the phase but I'm also fairly certain that he's scum.

also yea mech talk is bad at the best of times but the mech talk in this game has been extra pointless

[Flea The Magician]

#1552 is just a funnier version of what I was going for!
Flea why not vote me here?

Also consider, why would I vote you here?

do me !! actually fr though I'd like thoughts on flea or Thor or maybe Titus
or if you want something short maybe enchant?

Curious about your sudden interest in me :3

[Flea The Magician]

I also realised shortly after it wasn't a reads list.

[Miss Midnight]

I think Thor's post is pretty "scandalous", as it were, but I think it's just probably not from scum, or rather I think the mistake is genuine. Don't think scum tends to deliberately do things like that in the first place, much less plan it a day in advance and make it known that it's coming. Would require some creativity to even think of that mistake to pretend to make.

Think that focusing on scandalous things over scummy things is how a lot of games are lost. There are other things to push Thor on if you think he's scum than this.

[the worst]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

[Miss Midnight]

To be clear, I actually do think it could be possible that Thor is scum and also made that mistake. I just disagree that it's not a mistake, or was made intentionally to townslip.

[the worst]

I think Thor's post is pretty "scandalous", as it were, but I think it's just probably not from scum, or rather I think the mistake is genuine. Don't think scum tends to deliberately do things like that in the first place, much less plan it a day in advance and make it known that it's coming. Would require some creativity to even think of that mistake to pretend to make.

Think that focusing on scandalous things over scummy things is how a lot of games are lost. There are other things to push Thor on if you think he's scum than this.

scandalous is a good word for it. I'm glad I got his reactions but I'm sadly still not sure it's helped me work out what alignment he is.

I wouldn't object to flipping him at all (honestly, I'm not sure where to go from here wrt sorting him and have him binned for later), but I think there's better things to do with this phase.

pedit: hmm maybe. if it's entirely earnest it's like, strikingly egregious.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, this is what I believe we should do:
The night 3 vigilante should be left alive until night 3.
The 1-shot vig should not shoot if scum is voted out on day 1. If town is voted out, they should.
The ascetic cop should check who they think is scum but is unlikely to be voted out the next day.
The draft cop can check whoever they like to see if they have a role.
The doctor should protect a universally townread person.
The universal backup should wait.
The neighbouriser should target someone they think they will get along and solve with.
The Jailkeeper should target their biggest scumread.

If we have the setup on the right:
The vengeful should claim when death is assured and kill a consensus scumread.
The PGO should not activate and save themselves for later.
The bulletproof should enjoy themselves.
The 1-shot watcher should not do anything on the first night.
The roleblocker should target their biggest scumread.
The rolecop should target a scumread they're worried might be a cop.
The voyuer should target a high interest player.
The tracker should target their biggest scumread that won't immediately be voted out.

If we follow all of these actions, we can probably win this game from the sheer amount of roles that will be in town's hands. We just need to make sure foolish things aren't done like vigilantes shooting like heroes or cops checking players that will be voted out the next day anyway.

That’s not how this works

[the worst]

what occurs to me is that - if thor is at the calibre I think he is - faking that townslip isn't *actually* all that alignment indicative.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah, my impression was that we were bidding on which side of the draft we'd like, with the majority bid deciding the setup. I see what you mean now.

I could see this ngl
My main critique for the actual format is if most of the town picks from the same pair town ends up underpowered
Thor’s misconception rectifies that by removing that particular element of choosing an exact role

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought faer hop onto Gamma was awkward

I feel like fae would've mentioned something about voting the same person as faer top scumread for most of the day (Auro)

General dissatisfaction with the leading wagons

Well it appears MM is at least able to extract some information.

The replace out of the hydra to a single player while still suspicious does confirm that Xtomx is really not feeling the game. My interactions with auro were good enough that I could bump them to a neutral read. Given also that end of phase is approaching it was time to begin consolidating and not riding what was essentially a vanity wagon with me being the sole participant.

damned if you, damned if you dont I guess.

I feel like when scum hydrae replace out typically all the heads fall at once
It’s probably NAI that Auro remained in but I think on a base theoretical level your idea of the main replacing the hydra being scummy is flawed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and as for WWSF do, scum flea would absolutely vote enchant for that wagon.

Enchant either goes super townie and becomes untouchable, or super scummy.
Gamma can be raged or made apathetic and made to appear scummy.

ex-fucking-scuse me I can obvtown too

[the worst]

in fairness, people kind of... asked Auro to replace the hydra.

Haley is a capable scum player, and (at risk of flattering myself) enjoys rolling scum against at least me - I'm not sure that the hydra dynamic is really alignment indicative.

Auro has also posted a tonne of neat content which we can talk about instead of speculating about hydra dynamics.