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[NorwegianboyEE]

Because the game would be over?

[Datisi]

my issue is that i really want norwee to be scum here because some of his behaviour seemed very bad faithy towards our slot but rce planking right now doesn't look Good

[Aristeia]

Because the game would be over?

sounds like you know RCE flips town here and you're voting him anyway

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t blame you Aristeia. You’re just doing what you need to say in order to save scum!RCE.
I get it.

[Datisi]

norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

[Aristeia]

Why would you care about me paining you if RCE flips town if you think RCE/Me are scum/scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would you care about me paining you if RCE flips town if you think RCE/Me are scum/scum?

I don’t. I was simply making an remark.
Anyway this is pointless bickering. I only need to make sure Mastina is convinced you are scum.
And to check if Datisi is really scum or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

It wasn’t specifically referring to RCE? It was an gamestate read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mafia would also try to distance.

Is this the supposed golden nugget that proves i was scum?

[Datisi]

norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

It wasn’t specifically referring to RCE? It was an gamestate read.

who is the scum other than us doing it?

also how do you intend to "check" if i am scum?

[Aristeia]

I don’t. I was simply making an remark.
Anyway this is pointless bickering. I only need to make sure Mastina is convinced you are scum.
And to check if Datisi is really scum or not.

1. What's the point of the remark? It feels like you're slipping that I am town(since why would scum!me give a shit about anything you say) and you're worried that you will get pained if RCE flips town(because if that happens you might still lose tommorrow)

2. Why does it even matter for you if Mastina is convinced that

I

am scum? You are trying to yeet RCE right now, my alignment is not actually the point, what do you even gain from convincing her that

I

am scum? It feels like you're just trying to discredit my counterargument because you don't want to address it.

3. How does this exchange have anything to do with Datisi?

[Dwlee99]

Scum team is probably either Norwee/Mastina/T3 or Ari/RCE/(GCB/T3)

[Aristeia]

norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

It wasn’t specifically referring to RCE? It was an gamestate read.

I don't understand how you can have a game state read that says the scum have chosen to try to kill Mastina today and then vote for someone whose only comment about Mastina is to say she's town.

Feels like something fake you made up and don't actually believe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote RCE

[Dwlee99]

Scum team is probably either Norwee/Mastina/T3 or Ari/RCE/(GCB/T3)

Does anyone other than t3 disagree with this?

[Datisi]

i am not sold on you being town but i currently have nothing concrete to actually point in scum!you's direction

this is subject to change once we actually get a list of claims and i try to figure out what vote is what yesterday

[Dwlee99]

i am not sold on you being town but i currently have nothing concrete to actually point in scum!you's direction

this is subject to change once we actually get a list of claims and i try to figure out what vote is what yesterday

Associatives based argument is this: RCE isn't hammered right now and I didn't vote him when I thought he was E-1. Now that could be a bluff or I could be lying about thinking he was E-1, sure, but in general I think an RCE/me team doesn't make sense. So it can't be S/S, so it is either S/T or T/T. If I was the scum here with RCE town then I would have thought to hammer him here. Okay let's say you want to ignore that cause I could be a trickster here. Then we still have that an RCE/Me team doesn't make sense, so the only way I can be scum is again still RCE town. But if RCE is town, then the team is me/norwee/t3 cause RCE isn't hammered and I think everyone has showed up. Now if Titus was still here she would be very upset but I also think this team does not make sense given my interactions with Norwee/T3 throughout the game. I mean right now t3 is trying to turn us into a 1v1 duel, which doesn't make sense if t3 is scum with me. So again, I don't make sense as scum here.

[Dwlee99]

And if you don't believe me that there is no world I'm teamed with RCE then trust Retti.

[Dwlee99]

Summary: pre-flip associatives say I'm not teamed with RCE or T3, so current wagon without quickhammer in ELO makes me town.

[Datisi]

yeah i read it and am processing it

i'm not quite done bc i need to recheck you/t3 interactions and find where retti said that, but yeah i will take it into account

[RCEnigma]

Scum team is probably either Norwee/Mastina/T3 or Ari/RCE/(GCB/T3)

Does anyone other than t3 disagree with this?

Here's where I stand on this.

I still don't think Mastina is sitting on a scum role and if they are then in any order it's the last slot I'd touch of the three.

So if I'm sitting on two votes and not elimmed yet the team is norwee/t3/+1 the easy answer is dwlee is the third with the voting pattern of dwlee/norwee lining up all game but a pain on me makes this slightly less likely. I don't see the motivation in claiming it and no one else is claiming any pains where there had to be 1 on bingle and 2 on FC knowing they had a doc potion in the pocket. I've also been stuck on the thought that the elims have been town refusing to reevaluate reads but still moving cohesively, but it's a lot more likely town has just been getting led by the nose and it's been dwlee being propped up as scums shield. Or norwees specifically.

So am I being honeypotted? Gcb trajectory on norwee isn't just a today issue and follows through from yesterday somewhat, aristeia doesn't have much reason to back me up as scum but I have like the nagging thought in the back of my mind that the team could be norwee/t3/aristeia and the defense of my slot is just holding out for a townie to feel confident enough to throw a vote down on a slot they can blitz.

[RCEnigma]

i am not sold on you being town but i currently have nothing concrete to actually point in scum!you's direction

this is subject to change once we actually get a list of claims and i try to figure out what vote is what yesterday

Associatives based argument is this: RCE isn't hammered right now and I didn't vote him when I thought he was E-1. Now that could be a bluff or I could be lying about thinking he was E-1, sure, but in general I think an RCE/me team doesn't make sense. So it can't be S/S, so it is either S/T or T/T. If I was the scum here with RCE town then I would have thought to hammer him here. Okay let's say you want to ignore that cause I could be a trickster here. Then we still have that an RCE/Me team doesn't make sense, so the only way I can be scum is again still RCE town. But if RCE is town, then the team is me/norwee/t3 cause RCE isn't hammered and I think everyone has showed up. Now if Titus was still here she would be very upset but I also think this team does not make sense given my interactions with Norwee/T3 throughout the game. I mean right now t3 is trying to turn us into a 1v1 duel, which doesn't make sense if t3 is scum with me. So again, I don't make sense as scum here.

I hadn't really considered you + t3 interactions but I don't think grouping you with norwee is bizarre.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Norwee

Titus went down with a mostly correct solve and if she was spot on and dwlee is pulling the wool over our eyes then Titus has permission to swirlie me. But 1 red flip at a time.

[RCEnigma]

The game makes a lot more sense in that light. It explains why the reaction to Titus hero solve was that explosive. It also explains norwee pushing me day 2 to further discredit Titus day 1 reads as one of the few defenders by trying to push the narrative my defense wasn't genuine.

[Dwlee99]

I will accept Titus swirle if t3/norwee are scum cause I scumread her because I townread those two