Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. That’s a bit yikes if true

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

[Bee]

Today’s a mental unhealth day. I’ll try to be around before I sleep or tomorrow but I can’t right now, sorry.

[Flea The Magician]

Strike 3, you're out!
VOTE: Thor

Oof.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

[Titus]

Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, this is what I believe we should do:
The night 3 vigilante should be left alive until night 3.
The 1-shot vig should not shoot if scum is voted out on day 1. If town is voted out, they should.
The ascetic cop should check who they think is scum but is unlikely to be voted out the next day.
The draft cop can check whoever they like to see if they have a role.
The doctor should protect a universally townread person.
The universal backup should wait.
The neighbouriser should target someone they think they will get along and solve with.
The Jailkeeper should target their biggest scumread.

If we have the setup on the right:
The vengeful should claim when death is assured and kill a consensus scumread.
The PGO should not activate and save themselves for later.
The bulletproof should enjoy themselves.
The 1-shot watcher should not do anything on the first night.
The roleblocker should target their biggest scumread.
The rolecop should target a scumread they're worried might be a cop.
The voyuer should target a high interest player.
The tracker should target their biggest scumread that won't immediately be voted out.

If we follow all of these actions, we can probably win this game from the sheer amount of roles that will be in town's hands. We just need to make sure foolish things aren't done like vigilantes shooting like heroes or cops checking players that will be voted out the next day anyway.

Strike 3, you're out!
VOTE: Thor

Thor what benefit do you think bringing back mechanical talk at this late stage of D1 brings to the game?
Given the amount of mechanics you've discussed over the day, why not bring this up earlier?
If you have read any of these games previously, how can you be so blatantly unaware of the setup mechanics on multiple fronts?

The timing of this makes me think that Thor and Manatee are aligned, having played with Manatee before she has frozen as scum.
VOTE: Manatee because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

I'll admit that thor vote lasted all of 9 minutes...

because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Titus]

It doesn't show in the VCs and you left immediately. So it's not surprising I forgot.

[Titus]

Today’s a mental unhealth day. I’ll try to be around before I sleep or tomorrow but I can’t right now, sorry.

Take care.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah pressure-wise Flea’s Thor vote was essentially worthless

[Flea The Magician]

Almost like...

shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[House]

Idk why Thor is ready to townread MG after

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

Naked votes are "fine" to the person who happens to be the leading wagon?

Shenanigans.

The whine about Gamma's vote is also b/s. She said herself that she knew she was a scumread of his, so OF COURSE he'll be glad to help power a wagon on her. Duh!

VOTE: ManateeGal

@everyone: vote ManateeGal or tell me how I'm wrong.

[Flea The Magician]

Thanks for the biggest smile I've had all day btw, this is funny af.

and I even caught a shiny lugia on pokégo.

[Titus]

So how have you been hard on Thor Flea?

[Titus]

@everyone: vote ManateeGal or tell me how I'm wrong.

Already did.

[House]

@everyone: vote ManateeGal or tell me how I'm wrong.

Already did.

I was really hoping you'd take a second and actually consider 2056, because there is absolutely nothing town about that post.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

So I did some digging and I could see Xtoxm maybe hanging back and letting Auro drive as scum but by personal meta I think Xtoxm would be more likely to flake out as town, his scum meta seems to be to kinda subtly steer the game while putting on an appearance of not doing much

[Flea The Magician]

So how have you been hard on Thor Flea?

Aggressive dismantling of their mechspec, pushing on their latest one, which actually I don't recall getting answers to, I need to check that - thanks for the reminder - and beginning to actually attack supposed playstyle, despite being a mech heavy player myself.

For me that's pretty harsh/hard. Beyond that I go into tunnel mode.

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

So I did some digging and I could see Xtoxm maybe hanging back and letting Auro drive as scum but by personal meta I think Xtoxm would be more likely to flake out as town, his scum meta seems to be to kinda subtly steer the game while putting on an appearance of not doing much

I am mildly concerned that you're attempting to subtlety steer my auro read, there's more pressing matters right now.

[House]

Like, in what world does town go, "coming up on EoD, I'm the leading wagon, and i have multiple naked votes on me, and my opinion on those naked votes is...



???

[the worst]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

I dunno. I feel like people have kind of avoided talking about the idea of me being scum but I don't feel like I'm really anyone's townread. I think you mentioned scumreading me at some point, so I wondered if there was a particular reason you were working around that read.

I put you down as a spicy solve.

Why would I vote you in particular when I can vote any of the others in that solve?
Why not press the read at the time?

that's what i was wondering.

[Flea The Magician]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

I dunno. I feel like people have kind of avoided talking about the idea of me being scum but I don't feel like I'm really anyone's townread. I think you mentioned scumreading me at some point, so I wondered if there was a particular reason you were working around that read.

I put you down as a spicy solve.

Why would I vote you in particular when I can vote any of the others in that solve?
Why not press the read at the time?

that's what i was wondering.

Well thats what I'm asking.
Why did you not press and poke the read at the time?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have personally had to deal with a scum partner who ended up flaking out and leaving me to dry a few times, so I felt like I was qualified to look at that situation with Xtoxm and judge whether that made sense
Off the top of my head I can reference 3 games where that had happened to me

[House]

Not to mention, MG shaded Gamma's vote on her even though she knew that she was a scumread of his, without actually addressing his scumread that she knows about.

[the worst]

@Gamma, Check out Flea's flail vote. {Fae}'s a) panicked b) trying to force my reads to be scum in an exact team c) trying to demand my reads be frozen and d) jumping off someone he scumreads that has a wagon near deadline.

a: why would flea be panicking if faer wagon was basically non-existent rn?
c: I don’t think that’s accurate but a more rational approach would have been to ask questions vs. insta-accusing
d: I feel like I’ve done that before as town -_-

although I see how a+d would add up to being scummy

kinda +1, i'm lukewarm on the idea of scum!titus but i'm wary i might have townread her too quickly.