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[Andresvmb]

Anyone who thinks that the back-end of the Titus wagon should dictate who gets executed today is delusional.

[Andresvmb]

I need to re-read and that’s going to take some time, and I’m just busy today unfortunately.

But if Town wants to rush this to a loss, by all means.

[Andresvmb]

Shocking that GrandpaMo was lying about their role. What else is new.

[Andresvmb]

Also something to note, if I was scum, I wouldn't have retracted and I would have fully went with my claim to just claim someone tracked someone and get a mislynch today.

No you wouldn’t you doofus. You then get executed while leaving your Team in a pinch.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Nathann

[Andresvmb]

Wait, I'm stupid. I was thinking of voting DGB, and then I ended up not doing it, while thinking I did.

VOTE: DGB

That

is Y-2.

Why is DGB Scum?

[Nathann]

Wait, I'm stupid. I was thinking of voting DGB, and then I ended up not doing it, while thinking I did.

VOTE: DGB

That

is Y-2.

Why is DGB Scum?

Atrocious vote on Titus with no callout for the Y-1, promising content but delivering pretty much none of it so far, and what I wrote in 1424 - throwing shade on the claimed power role but not wanting to be the one to vote it first (before figuring out whether anyone else would want to join them) is a decent move for Scum to make there, assuming GrandpaMo's Town.

Why is DGB Town?

[Andresvmb]

Do you think DGB as Scum starts asking for votes on them towards the end of D1 and tries to antagonize several players while claiming VT?

[Nathann]

I don't think it's likely. But I'm not going to be giving it a pass the whole game just because it did a wacky play towards the end of Day 1, especially if it wasn't likely for its wagon to actually gain traction - I'd have to go back to check if the last part is true, but I at least remember Jolyne was against it.

[Andresvmb]

I’m going to take a guess and say that the Scum are all in {Kazyan, Nathann, DW}.

That’s my prediction.

From my perspective, there were 4 votes that sat on Kazyan for a while there D1, and it didn’t go over the edge. Instead, AliceK was executed. At least 3 of those votes are from Town: {Me, Jolyne, Kyouko}. It’s remarkable that we all agreed there, with Ythan as the fourth voter, but an alternative wagon formed. That’s really fascinating.

[Andresvmb]

I don't think it's likely. But I'm not going to be giving it a pass the whole game just because it did a wacky play towards the end of Day 1, especially if it wasn't likely for its wagon to actually gain traction - I'd have to go back to check if the last part is true, but I at least remember Jolyne was against it.

You don’t think it’s likely, but you’re happy pushing it to E-2 while not really explaining your reasoning, after we pushed Titus quickly and incorrectly?

[Andresvmb]

@geraintm for the record, I think you’re onto something.

[Andresvmb]

The reason I’m alive and Kyouko was killed (we were both read as Town by Jolyne, and I also TR Kyouko), is because I was somewhat pocketed by Nathann. That’s a theory. Maybe wrong, but that’s an idea.

GrandpaMo’s atrocious play is never getting NK’ed. Consistently lying about their role is spectacularly aggravating, but probably not what I expect Scum to be doing. geraintm is Town, and Enchant’s healthy skepticism and pointed remarks make them Town in my book.

There’s just not that many options from where I stand.

[Andresvmb]

Ythan could be Scum I suppose but certainly not aligned with Nathann since they keep throwing them as an option.

[Nathann]

I don't think it's likely. But I'm not going to be giving it a pass the whole game just because it did a wacky play towards the end of Day 1, especially if it wasn't likely for its wagon to actually gain traction - I'd have to go back to check if the last part is true, but I at least remember Jolyne was against it.

You don’t think it’s likely, but you’re happy pushing it to E-2 while not really explaining your reasoning, after we pushed Titus quickly and incorrectly?

I don't think it's likely, no. But that one play doesn't make its whole ISO. And when there are reasons that make the slot Scum as well, I can't throw everything in the trash based on "but it did this funny thing on Day 1!!" I explained my reasoning, and I expect that the Town will be more careful around votes now. Next time someone does the shit that happened yesterday, it's an instant policy yeet the next Day, I think we can agree on that.

I think it's kind of funny how you're throwing the shade at me for wagoning someone after yesterday when we rushed and misyeeted, when the person I'm wagoning had a lot to do with the fact that the wagon happened the way it did.

[Nathann]

Are you forgetting that Jolyne was consistently reading me as Town too?

[Andresvmb]

Are you forgetting that Jolyne was consistently reading me as Town too?

Koba can make mistakes they’re not infallible. Your votes have been awful thus far - you deserve to be reconsidered.

[Nathann]

I’m going to take a guess and say that the Scum are all in {Kazyan, Nathann, DW}.

That’s my prediction.

From my perspective, there were 4 votes that sat on Kazyan for a while there D1, and it didn’t go over the edge. Instead, AliceK was executed. At least 3 of those votes are from Town: {Me, Jolyne, Kyouko}. It’s remarkable that we all agreed there, with Ythan as the fourth voter, but an alternative wagon formed. That’s really fascinating.

This holds

some

water if Kazyan is Scum, but your PoE makes no sense if they're Town. Both me and Dwlee realized they're a power role, jumping off from them in order to wagon a lurker that half the game was scumreading and that could've been easy to get the next Day is awful play. Turn a blind eye towards the "soft", keep voting there anyway, get a free claim.

[Andresvmb]

DGB and Ythan (or maybe Andre as a deepwolf), and I'm willing to bet today's elimination on getting DGB gone.

I’m going to guess this is a dreadful solve.

[Dwlee99]

Kazyan should probably be locked into a claim but I don't think Nathan is scum here even if Kazyan is.
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

That Nathan and I reacted the same way is good imo even though mine was especially motivated by my role.

[Nathann]

Are you forgetting that Jolyne was consistently reading me as Town too?

Koba can make mistakes they’re not infallible. Your votes have been awful thus far - you deserve to be reconsidered.

Which one of my votes are you having problems with? My GrandpaMo Day 1 vote, which you were more than happy to scream should be killed because he lied about his role? The Alice vote, which I voted solely because of the deadline pressure, IC thinking they're Scum, and not wanting to vote the power role soft, and who I kept saying the whole time is Town and that we should try elsewhere? Or maybe the Titus vote, which was meant as a pressure/pls-play-the-game vote, and it turned into a disaster while I wasn't looking because people either can't count or are pretending not to?

[Andresvmb]

You are seriously arguing Titus wasn’t playing the game?

[Nathann]

She was somewhat present but she was largely underwhelming. A vote can be a good kick to get someone to produce more readable content.

[Andresvmb]

All I see are a bunch of excuses and a lot of dead Town. If your vote for AliceK was truly driven by deadline pressure, why didn’t you vote Kazyan earlier? That reasoning makes no sense.