Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Kate Bishop]

For myself:
(expired on 2021-09-05 01:47:11)

hmmmm

Wheme, why did you vote KB in the first place?
Why did you switch off of KB?

I switched off because I am LLD's Thunderfury blessed blade of the windseeker and I will vote whoever they vote.

Why LLD as opposed to, say Cabd?

Because Cabd is also LLD's sword

As I thought, then!

[unwnd]

I'm curious what your disagreement is, unwnd.

I feel like I pointed them out just now

[Cabd]

Interested in hearing your objections to the "have manatee do second elim with public consensus" plan?

[Kate Bishop]

If she's lying about her role (which should be very easily confirmable) we yeet her.
But until then double day is incredibly useful for town so we should just abuse it.
It's really that simple.

If I have my druthers, you and Dunn will be instrumental in guiding what manatee does with her abilities today.

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm curious what your disagreement is, unwnd.

I feel like I pointed them out just now

You haven't explained what you don't like about Toog being the leading wagon unless I missed it.

[unwnd]

My thought on manatee is slightly mechanical. I think her role is too strong to be a scum role, because it goes against what you normally see from mafia roles. Their actions are done at night to counter town abilities or fortify themselves. Manatee's role is a open statement and something that would just give scum an easier step towards their wincon of reaching 50% majority, which to me isn't very wise and would leave a lot of people bitching. Again, jjh says this game is not bastard. A scum role that can give two mislims or randomly eject someone is pretty fucking bastard. I would have complaints.

That being said, the plan isn't terrible, but I don't feel like it's something you can force. If you read Manatee's content up until this point it looks like she doesn't even care. She's not considering her role or how to use it effectively, which in my eyes makes her less townie; I think GiF's tinfoil is right.

[Cabd]

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

Yes, but no?

I think it's pretty settled that my suspicions were correct and firebringer lives among us in my top townread slot.

[Kate Bishop]

Interested in hearing your objections to the "have manatee do second elim with public consensus" plan?

Was I correct to take away from our short convo last night that you don't have questions for me about how I've approached the game and you in particular?

[unwnd]

I'm curious what your disagreement is, unwnd.

I feel like I pointed them out just now

You haven't explained what you don't like about Toog being the leading wagon unless I missed it.

Nothing wrong with the makeup of the wagon barring one (maybe two) votes

I just don't think it flips scum if my own thoughts be true

[Cabd]

Interested in hearing your objections to the "have manatee do second elim with public consensus" plan?

Was I correct to take away from our short convo last night that you don't have questions for me about how I've approached the game and you in particular?

I think my observations were valid about the postmortem but if you feel they're not you are welcome to engage on that aspect of things.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm curious what your disagreement is, unwnd.

I feel like I pointed them out just now

You haven't explained what you don't like about Toog being the leading wagon unless I missed it.

Nothing wrong with the makeup of the wagon barring one (maybe two) votes

I just don't think it flips scum if my own thoughts be true

That's what I want to understand: why you don't think it flips scum.

Interested in hearing your objections to the "have manatee do second elim with public consensus" plan?

Was I correct to take away from our short convo last night that you don't have questions for me about how I've approached the game and you in particular?

I think my observations were valid about the postmortem but if you feel they're not you are welcome to engage on that aspect of things.

You seemed concerned that we put together a reads list without demanding you go first.

The most important thing we need from this day 1 is not solely a solid read of you.

[unwnd]

Because I have 3 (4) other people who I think have a better chance to do so

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My thought on manatee is slightly mechanical. I think her role is too strong to be a scum role, because it goes against what you normally see from mafia roles. Their actions are done at night to counter town abilities or fortify themselves. Manatee's role is a open statement and something that would just give scum an easier step towards their wincon of reaching 50% majority, which to me isn't very wise and would leave a lot of people bitching. Again, jjh says this game is not bastard. A scum role that can give two mislims or randomly eject someone is pretty fucking bastard. I would have complaints.

That being said, the plan isn't terrible, but I don't feel like it's something you can force. If you read Manatee's content up until this point it looks like she doesn't even care. She's not considering her role or how to use it effectively, which in my eyes makes her less townie; I think GiF's tinfoil is right.

Her role is provable though, so if you don't think it makes sense for scum to have that role just work toward getting her to place it somewhere before deadline, that should prove her for you

[Kate Bishop]

Because I have 3 (4) other people who I think have a better chance to do so

I'm getting absolutely zip regarding what you actually think about toog's play and why from this.

maybe it's a starting place disconnect in terms of approaching the game, but it's a little frustrating.

[unwnd]

I feel like I gave a decent demonstration earlier about toog's play

Not much has changed because they still have the same complaints. The wagon is stagnant, even if they're scum they're just going to do the same things they've always been lol

[DrippingGoofball]

Manatee's recent post is off

But i wouldn't categorize her as scun

if my own theories are right

You can't challenge her, she'll kill you.

[Dunnstral]

If she's lying about her role (which should be very easily confirmable) we yeet her.
But until then double day is incredibly useful for town so we should just abuse it.
It's really that simple.

If I have my druthers, you and Dunn will be instrumental in guiding what manatee does with her abilities today.

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

Manatee should check in and go over what they want to do with their role now

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

[DrippingGoofball]

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

Since you understand how it works, can you explain it to me?

[Dunnstral]

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

Since you understand how it works, can you explain it to me?

If their second vote is on wagon, they gain a one-shot vigilante for that night
If their second vote is off wagon, that player dies at the end of the day along with the original elimination
If their second vote is on nobody, a random town-aligned player dies

Once they place their second vote, it can't be moved during that same day

That's how I understand it

[Kate Bishop]

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

Since you understand how it works, can you explain it to me?

If their second vote is on wagon, they gain a one-shot vigilante for that night
If their second vote is off wagon, that player dies at the end of the day along with the original elimination
If their second vote is on nobody, a random town-aligned player dies

Once they place their second vote, it can't be moved during that same day

That's how I understand it

If we want her to use the second option then the second vote should wait until the elim is decided.

Unless there's something I'm missing, she could put 2 votes down on the same wagon, which has mid to late game implications.

[Dunnstral]

If we want her to use the second option then the second vote should wait until the elim is decided.

IMO she should use her second vote on the wagon that is mostly decided (Toogeloo) and we figure out the second elimination with votes, rather than vice versa

[Kate Bishop]

If we want her to use the second option then the second vote should wait until the elim is decided.

IMO she should use her second vote on the wagon that is mostly decided (Toogeloo) and we figure out the second elimination with votes, rather than vice versa

I like the way you think.

Assuming her first vote is normal/moveable. which I do, but confirmation's good.

[unwnd]

I'm fine with co-signing Dunn's plan

[unwnd]

I just don't think keeping Manatee around for so long is a great thing

[Cabd]

I'm fine with co-signing Dunn's plan