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Dwlee99 · Post Post #2800 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:02 am

In post 2798, Datisi wrote:
In post 2796, Dwlee99 wrote:Here's another thing though. I don't think Ari is scum with RCE.
why and who is

also that previous post was @norwee

I actually can't think of a third for a Mastina/RCE team so idk

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2801 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:03 am

Which is how would have played this game too if i was mafia to be fair.
No point sticking out your nevk when you don’t need to actually catch scum.

Datisi · Post Post #2802 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:05 am

@people that have been paying more attention to this game than i have - does t3's vote on rce check out?

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2803 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:25 am

I feel so sad about my feud with Retti.

T3 · Post Post #2804 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:59 am

In post 2760, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Like maybe i am fundamentally wrong about a lot of my reads, but one thing i do know.
RCE mafioso

Yep.

T3 · Post Post #2805 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:21 am

bored

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2806 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:42 am

Wanna add me on steam and play some games then.

T3 · Post Post #2807 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:16 am

Don't have steam.
Also I'm procrastinating on english homework

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2808 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:46 am

ahhhhh

T3 · Post Post #2809 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:19 pm

ahhhh

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2810 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:00 pm

Would anyone like to make correspondence with your fellow citizen?

T3 · Post Post #2811 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:31 am

To be is to do - Plato
To do is to be - Jean Paul Sartre
Do be do be do - Frank Sinatra

Aristeia · Post Post #2812 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:00 am

I don't have a great feeling about flipping RCE.

It feels like he's just going to be the default elimination here and nobody is doing anything to stop it except me and I know I'm town - so where are his teammates and what are they doing?

I mean maybe I'm being pocketed and the scum are just not doing anything in hopes that I vote Norwee and then they rush in and vote him off for the kill but nobody's really persuading me to vote for Norwee here.

Do we have anyone with a pain potion that could help me kill Norwee if RCE flips town here?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2813 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:04 am

Pain potions aren't a for sure thing cause scum could jailkeep or something. We shouldn't rely on it as an alternative to limming correctly

Aristeia · Post Post #2814 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:07 am

I would like to eliminate correctly but I'd also like to have a contingency plan in case we miss. I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

ISO · Post Post #2815 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:09 am

In post 2696, Dwlee99 wrote:T3 even said he had a meta read on the way I interact with partners that doesn't hold to his current idea that I could be partnered with RCE

Hi this is the point that I need to restart reading from after taking an additional 24-48 hours of V/LA to fix my fucked up life because I kinda hardcore slipped up to my depression and legitimately genuinely lost track of time; I didn't realize it was literally

nine AM in the morning

until just now and I legitimately genuinely thought it was still the middle of the night (in my defense, my family never turned off the lights which is my normal cue that it has gotten late).

I really really REALLY need to force SOME sleep and then spend a little bit of time recovering but I realize this is also somewhere that I need to recover on. (My last site activity was this game a couple days ago which means I have a couple days' worth of catching up to do in this game but I have more onsite duties than just this game and have been neglecting those for longer than two days as the last time I was on site, this game was the ONLY thing I did.)

I suppose to give some

semblance

of content and as a safeguard against losing it all, I can post a spoilered list of the votecounts I started for the work I started on my reread that I WILL be getting back to. After I sleep and get my life back in order and recatch up. (Sorry I fucked up in slipping up here.)

Spoiler: VC stuff up to page 20

Aristeia · Post Post #2816 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:14 am

Mastina you should take care of yourself first and get some sleep.

The game will still be here when you wake up.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2817 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:24 am

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2818 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:24 am

In post 2814, Aristeia wrote:I would like to eliminate correctly but I'd also like to have a contingency plan in case we miss. I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

Assuming my action wasn't interfered with a better contingency plan would be that RCE is at 1 HP not 2 like norwee probably is.

Datisi · Post Post #2819 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:25 am

In post 2814, Aristeia wrote:I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

we don't go into the night at 3-3?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2820 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:28 am

It's 4-3, mislim 3-3

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2821 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:29 am

I guess their supposed theory is that in a world where i am scum and RCE is town that get's limmed that town will somehow manage to pile enough poison to kill me and mafia won't have enough poison to kill someone themselves?

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2822 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:30 am

Just seems like some really lazy conjecture.

ISO · Post Post #2823 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:25 pm

Taking a small break waiting for an automated email that for whatever reason is taking a long time to go through so may as well reduce my workload here.

In post 2699, Green Cap Boys wrote:although I think RCE-scum has like every reason to jump on our suspicion of mastina if town, and he...didn't do that, so.

This is fair although there are multiple possible explanations for this.
Option one: he is town.
Option two: he is scum who is largely apathetic, indifferent, etc., and doesn't really want to bother with the effort.
Option three: he is scum who knows that he and Aristeia are caught, but is worried that if he tried to rally against someone like me, it'd end up exposing the third scum and/or townspewing a town player who was otherwise suspect.
Option four: he is scum who thinks that the best way for him to survive is to

not

push me specifically due to a push on me being suspect. After all, I'm not actually voting him right now. He's only got two votes on him. If he can put in the thought that this is option one despite it not being that, there's a chance instead of hitting scum, we land on town.
Option five: he is presently not pursuing the mastina-scum line of thought but can switch to it if he feels like there's a good opening to have done so, making a more "natural" read progression.

Might be more, but you get the idea.

I'm not sure which of the five options I thought of is the correct one. I intend to find out by continuing my effort to solve.

ISO · Post Post #2824 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:43 pm

In post 2713, Green Cap Boys wrote:can you make your town case on mastina that doesn't boil to "mastina post therefore mastina town"?

I can help you there.

I have a flowchart for reading me.
It's somewhat dated, it doesn't include some things which it should, but overall it still functions as an overall picture of the guiding philosophy behind my towngame vs. my philosophy in my scumgame.

Overall, as town I have a very very strong tendency towards flawed-logic pushes that are passionate, with conviction, uncaring of the individual being pushed's feelings, insensitive, and while my reasons are internally consistent and make sense and have some form of logic to them, they are still ultimately very easily shown to have the flaws because I struggle to form arguments without them but continue to push what I believe.

Whereas scumastina still, in spite of her degradation, still follows many of these principles (btw that article needs to have the site policy update done on it but I am too busy to attend to that), notably:
Logical, cold, pure, logical pushes that have basically no flaws in them, but also lack passion. They are made deliberately to avoid ticking players off. Every scumread, calculated and precise so that it can be backed out of if necessary. Every scumread, actual solid basis but lacking strong conviction behind the push. Every scumread, logical, but dispassionate, more of a business deal transaction than act of belief. After all, it doesn't matter if you're blatantly not playing to your towngame if people don't want to eliminate you. If people look at your posts and like them, you can live for surprisingly long. (Admittedly, poe eventually kills you, but I've never been the scum to rely on to endgame anyway.)

In post 2707, T3 wrote:GCB and Ari soft defending RCE makes me think the consensus solve is right.

I AM somewhat inclined to agree although I'd say Aristeia's defense has gone beyond the point of being 'soft' and is quite hard, and GCB's defense may also be that.

Still though, due process is...well, due. I've got ~80-100 pages to reread to get a better grasp on the gamestate and I BELIEVE I have the time to do so, as long as I don't procrastinate and don't suffer another rl crash.