Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Lukewarm]

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

ah hmm
who do u feel like is their partner in this case..? i dont really see it.

when i read through i didnt really see you try to work this out to understand them more, did i by accident skim over it or did u actually never do it..?

If I am right, then it is either Toog or DGB. But I am not sure which. Again. Conflicting thoughts.

Manatee kills toog and we kill Luke e z p z

This kind of looks like it would be dgb. But, I also know that manatee already said they were pretty set on killing DGB. Which, if they push "manatee on toog" and "votes on Luke" I can see a path to transition to "vote out luke anyways" after manatee targets dgb.

But again. I left them at null on my original list, because I wanted to do an iso dive on them before I really reached into it further. All 3 of my null reads were my priority isos.

And looking at how they read me prior to my day off was one thing I wanted to look at. The other was their stances on both toog and dgb. I seem to remember them trying to transition us away from the toog wagon early on toward kyouko.

[Dunnstral]

Manatee should ask for claims before using ability

[ManateeGal]

yeah wasnt planning on doing otherwise

[ManateeGal]

mulling over ur response gif

[Kate Bishop]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

We weren't townreading you before. Look at our readslist from a couple days ago.

You know, you haven't attempted to reach out to me, and that has been a feature of your towngame in one form or another lately when we've played together. Ceph's game being in the "or another" format. Before today, it was mostly me having issues. notsci saw your early play in Bloodstained differently because he knew you were town, so the stuff I thought could be scum indicators didn't bother him at all.

Anyway, you are correct that those two posts drew our vote. It's not just that they are weak, though they are. If somebody had played the daycop guilty card on us when coming back to the thread after a day, that's not how we would have reacted at all. How we would react would depend on the player list, and this list is filled with players who treat whoopie cushions as subtle humor.

But, forget familiarity. It still didn't feel like a town reaction. And there was an 8 minute pause between notsci's post and your first reply. That was enough time to try and find out what was going on rather than just react, secure in the knowledge of your role PM.

[Dunnstral]

Luke can you explain your read on me?

[Lukewarm]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

We weren't townreading you before. Look at our readslist from a couple days ago.

You know, you haven't attempted to reach out to me, and that has been a feature of your towngame in one form or another lately when we've played together. Ceph's game being in the "or another" format. Before today, it was mostly me having issues. notsci saw your early play in Bloodstained differently because he knew you were town, so the stuff I thought could be scum indicators didn't bother him at all.

Anyway, you are correct that those two posts drew our vote. It's not just that they are weak, though they are. If somebody had played the daycop guilty card on us when coming back to the thread after a day, that's not how we would have reacted at all. How we would react would depend on the player list, and this list is filled with players who treat whoopie cushions as subtle humor.

But, forget familiarity. It still didn't feel like a town reaction. And there was an 8 minute pause between notsci's post and your first reply. That was enough time to try and find out what was going on rather than just react, secure in the knowledge of your role PM.

Well, wrt to that daycop, I don't know what else to tell you other then my first thought was "that didn't happen" because I know I am town, and I also think unwnd is town.

And then my second thought was "I can picture unwnd faking it to see if I would react".

The reason it was 2 separate posts was because you were getting my immediate thoughts, as I had them. I did not see notty's post right away.

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As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

[Kate Bishop]

Phone post but SSBM is going to like my placement of Wheme in my list!

I'd like to understand you placement of ssbm when you have time!

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

[Lukewarm]

Luke can you explain your read on me?

You feel a lot like you felt in bork's game, and I have found myself agreeing with basically every post you have made. About basically everything.

At one point I responded to a post, and then immediately after I saw you say basically the same thing. From my pov, it was kind of like you had read my mind, although it was during my catch up, so you obviously made the post long before me. But it feels like we are thinking about the game in the same way.

[Cabd]

Phone post but SSBM is going to like my placement of Wheme in my list!

I'd like to understand you placement of ssbm when you have time!

Yeah probably our biggest divergence?

I dunno it's just an overall read. I think the pop ins have felt natural and not manufactured to any specific outcome.

[Cabd]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

I sorta answered this already.

[Lukewarm]

Gif, I saw your post, and wanted to respond, but I also have a hanging question for Toog.

Want to try and talk to him before I answer. (and my answer may change post convo for all I know!)

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

I sorta answered this already.

I must've missed it in the sea of your cryptic posts.

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

But she told me that she was being neutral about this!

[Kate Bishop]

Giffy would have hated Yggdrasil and tenet

[Cabd]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

I sorta answered this already.

I must've missed it in the sea of your cryptic posts.

Nothing stops them but I JUST fell for this exact ploy from notsci and cephrir. Can't disprove a negative but spiteful anti-town play is anti town and going "lol but what if spite" isn't actually useful for game state. Anti town play generally comes from anti town. Pair that with my research on past modded games giving zero safe claims.

[Kate Bishop]

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

And you think you can form a decent read of me without interacting?

I tend to give you space after ceph's game, but as marci said, there's a ton of data in our iso to think about.

Also, if you ever townread me on the basis of posting an effortful looking meta dive write-up, you'll be making a mistake.

If anything I put more effort into writing up meta dives as scum than as town, because there's what I found, and there's how I want it to be interpreted.

The publicly available evidence of my dive right now is anything but effortful looking. I'm intentionally holding back most of my observations because I want to see if anyone independently makes some of the observations that I did.

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

But she told me that she was being neutral about this!

I believe Kate has been thinking Toog-scum for a while

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

[Dunnstral]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

Why does this not make you think they are town?

[GuyInFreezer]

I believe Kate has been thinking Toog-scum for a while

Yeah I'm aware. I even freaked out earlier when I thought fery seemed to randomly drop her Toog-scum read priority.
Like I'm not against Toog lim but I just want to see if I can get any answer that will satisfy me to make me feel more free, if you get me.

[Lukewarm]

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

And you think you can form a decent read of me without interacting?

I tend to give you space after ceph's game, but as marci said, there's a ton of data in our iso to think about.

Also, if you ever townread me on the basis of posting an effortful looking meta dive write-up, you'll be making a mistake.

If anything I put more effort into writing up meta dives as scum than as town, because there's what I found, and there's how I want it to be interpreted.

The publicly available evidence of my dive right now is anything but effortful looking. I'm intentionally holding back most of my observations because I want to see if anyone independently makes some of the observations that I did.

Is there something you wanted to talk to me about?

I have been a bit weary of you because my read on you has not been the strongest.

and because I have not always been sure whether you or notty or both were on, and I would interact with the two of you quiet differently

.

And to be frank, I have felt kind of the same way about you guys. That you guys apparently reached having me as your strongest scum read without interacting with me at all seemed weird. Like, I made almost 50 posts today after you guys asked about that fake guilty, and neither one of you responded or interacted with any of them (until now I guess)

[jjh927]