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[Galron]

Grandpa vs GE seems TvT to me also, but definitely not SvS.

TvT/SvS. But you didn't say anything about TvS. What gamma said about early game 1v1s mostly being characterized as TVTs really holds true. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times that someone has popped in with "that 1v1 is probably TvT." Okay, so why can't it be TvS? Personally, I don't think either GMO or GE has done anything particulary scummy, but I don't see anything that screams town from them either. I will say that I can see a world where Gamma comes into this game a bit tilted and it's kinda the same reason I do, but I don't know that that's AI.

So tell me, why are you excluding TvS in this interaction?

[Galron]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there

I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.

OKay try this again giving it a more generous reading.

[T3]

The car is not moving out of park until I stop wanting to lim you T3

The car will have to be towed.

What are you gonna do vote me? Start being townier and I'll gladly move elsewhere

nightkill you

[T3]

Also sb9 can you not vote park on me thanks

how does gamma react to a thought-out tunnel: a revised metadive in progres

Did you mean to quote that

Town Gamma in LN235 was tunneled by Nero. He tried to engage with Nero but then when Nero kept scumreading him for what be saw was irrational he just ignored Nero.

Eh that’s more-or-less true but the read on Nero is different than how I’m reading GMo here

Didn't mean to quote that.

[T3]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.

Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least

Why are you so set on getting me to claim tomorrow?

Why so serious? You didn’t seem to have an issue softclaiming today
If you’re town, it at least gives us the full information (more helpful to town than scum since scum already have info advantage). If you’re scum it locks you into a role early and gives us a chance to spot a bs claim. Tell me, if you actually are a PR and survive the night, what benefit does concealing your full role serve at that point?

I would be screaming for your head if not for metagood.

[DrippingGoofball]

But she could be playing to her meta that everybody will know is her town meta

I have no meta.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm locktowning Salsabil for *reasons*

[T3]

But she could be playing to her meta that everybody will know is her town meta

I have no meta.

ok

[T3]

If you want to just save some time gamma's town

so u think Gpas mafia right?

Also,

nvm im moving my vote over here rn

VOTE: Kop

the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny

Uhhhh no?

i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol

People yelling at other people is usually tvt.

[T3]

pedit: apparently softing D1 for no reason is cool now???

i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...

Nah.

Scum don't do that.

Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case

Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.

"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me

This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.

Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least

This is something I actually feel confident I can defend T3 on
While his theory is probably not entirely correct in practice, I know T3 has said similar before, and as such unless there was a game I am not presently aware of where something happened to contradict that belief it would make sense he’s still thinking this

No yeah i dont doubt he believes this hes just wrong

So then I'm town?

[T3]

Galron is using really weird language with what looks like

coaxing

people into agreeing with him.

[T3]

Ok, I finished catch up (again ). Not in the mood for post by post commenting rn, so I'm giving my thoughts altogether.

Most probably

Galron

asked me why I think

Kop

's wagon formation indicates they're likely town but not for

T3

because what I said already (my reason to scumread them) + I can't remember

T3

's wagon tbh + they played with town!me in couple of games before where my play style is pretty similar (except 1/2 ig) like in this game and I'm always a miselimination slot due to my

certain paly style

which they clearly know.

The last reason goes for

Titus

also. Both of them are going for LHF slots which I don't think town!them would do. So, the scum team is now:

T3

/

Titus

/?
If

Roden

and

DGb

both are towns, then

Garlon

can be the 3rd scum. I don’t really like their vote on me.

Not sure about

Roden

atm, their softing PR is a ballsy move, especially when there’s no daytalk available for scums. So I'll let them live today but I'm agreeing with

sb9

about this matter: if they're not the nk, then they're sus.

Grandpa

vs

GE

seems TvT to me also, but definitely not SvS.

@HF

, if I wouldn’t townread you, would you still put me in the towncore?

Updated read list with no particular order:

marci

sb9

HF

GE

Kop

Grandpa

Garlon

Roden

DGb

STD

Titus

T3

T3

also asked me a question if I ever played with

STD

before, something like that. The answer is yes and I don’t remember that they placed RVS vote by giving joking reason.

UNVOTE: Roden

VOTE: T3

Will go afk now (2)

Your playstyle this game seems to be "not do anything"

[superbowl9]

If you want to just save some time gamma's town

so u think Gpas mafia right?

Also,

nvm im moving my vote over here rn

VOTE: Kop

the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny

Uhhhh no?

i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol

I didn’t say it was TvT either i didn’t cite any read on gpa - i dont think that exchange was very AI

[T3]

ISO time

[T3]

Marci, can u elaborate on that vote/your thoughts in the game state in general

no.

jk!!!
i dont really have thoughts from before my vote, but i think t3 could be scum because from what i've seen... he usually gives scummier vibes as town.. like in an "this will be easy to push a miselim on" sort of way. im not really getting that here..

You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him

I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.

Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.

i agree with the points people have brought up on this just scumreading the people who are more active. but people piled on votes here kinda quickly so im wary about this being scum tbh.

VOTE: kop
Yeah I’m good with this, don’t entirely buy the townslip but those kop SRs are pretty much all the most notable slots

i like gamma emerald for this.

marci saying "no, jk" feels weird but it could be a personality thing.

[T3]

oh nvm, you're calling yourself STd's scumbuddy. why do ppl in my towncore like to claim mafia so much smfh

Because I'm mafia

oh really? same!!

too bad we don't have a daychat huh? Might as well discuss the NK now tho, I'm thinking we just kill whoever has the highest postcount

hmm true true, it really does suck because i would love as much time as possible to discuss our gameplan!!

killing the highest postcount is a cool idea, it helps us be able to hide behind inactivity (cant be sused if theres nobody around to sus u!!!) but, what if we go for the

second

highest postcount so we can frame the highest for not dying?

Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.

Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation

liked this thought from u btw, seems genuine.

im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.

Why? I peg at least 1 scum in the 3 of em

I mean you're probably right but T3 is town because I like his content. Roden's progression on reads/reasoning for them seems solid. Marci because of tonal/vibes. Who do u think is the scum?

dont like how ur leaving room to warp

marci's comment about the thought being genuine seems more likely to come from town but I can't put my finger on why.

[T3]

I mean you're probably right but

is leaving room to warp imo

i should prob explain a bit more.
but in the future when u need to dissolve the trs and sus one of us, u could point here and be like "i knew all along..."

also u got kinda got reactive there hmm wonder what that means...

This more complex thought also comes from town marci I think.

[T3]

I liked content from 445, plus nothing feels off about your tonal/vibes rn

Marci isn’t screaming scum but she feels somewhat different from OMB

different how

You feel a little less engaged ig

oh thats cuz i am

also lolwhat
Like scum would normally defend against this instead of going "oh yeah i'm not engaged i agree with you"

[T3]

Conculusion: marci is leantown from my ISO dive thing

[T3]

Conclusion: marci is leantown from my ISO dive thing

EBWOP

[T3]

VOTE: titus

i feel like we're just getting distracted from limming titus which is what we should be doing

something seems off about you

something seems off about you

That's the definition of me. Lol.

no i know you're weird (not a dig i'm a weirdo too)

you got that BIG SCUM ENERGY about you

I can understand where all these posts from STD are coming from.

[superbowl9]

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.

Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?

To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???

Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused

[T3]

On a gut level I agree where most of STD's reads are coming from which makes him have the same natural town POV as me. It's hard for scum to fake genuine emotional reactions townies also feel, sort of a mindmeld on the gut level.

[superbowl9]

These thoughts aren't congruent btw.

Yes I went through a T3 town lens in that post so gamma would understand me better

[T3]

Oof, this was not a good response.

Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.

The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.

If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.

Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?

To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???

Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused

It depends on Roden's role though, he could be something ridiculous that helps town if he doesn't out.