Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Titus]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

You should really not read into how I phrase these things. I'm purposefully trying to dodge directly quoting the role PM by accident. As far as I'm aware, I have no method of breaking the brainwashing.

This hosility seems unwarranted. One innocent question and you're overreacting to get him not to look further. Only the last sentence was necessary.

No one would call this hostility. Only you, and only when you have an agenda to push.

Reading into how people phrase things is part of sorting them. You and I are both aware of this. Yet, your post to Toog was telling him to not ask you for details and here you're claiming it's an agenda to ask for more information from you.

You know what, let's fight this out. I think (so far), that there's a decent chance you're scum. Let's argue around slots in the game.

If it's T v T, we get unique insights. If you're scum, you either act as a chicken shit or give content. So I'm picking a fight with you.

I also doubt you're a gravedigger when the only tracker is ridiculously gated.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm liking Titus so far. But then again, I wasn't scumreading Toog.

[Titus]

Crumb was an epic fail

You might as well talk about it now because if you're not scum they've already either

1) Decided to kill you
2) Fuck with your role in some sort of fashion

I crumbed very openly and scum were legit confused by the crumbs so they let me live. You never know.

[Titus]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

I abjectly refuse to allow you to hammer anything.

You can have the second to last vote and we can coordinate that. But I refuse to allow you to hammer.

do you have a specific reasoning for this? if so please outline it

I do! I think you may be scum using my role claim as cover to do this play, where your role really cares about being the hammering vote on wagons to gain power.

It's a minor thought, maybe less than 10 or even 5 percent.

But if it IS true, it's always scum, so I refuse to allow you to hammer. Once we decide who dies, you can have 2nd to last vote, with your unmovable vote. But not hammer.

Shouldn't make any difference to you, right?

yea thats fine w me!

I don't see how LLD and MG have related roles. This just reeks of bullying.

[Titus]

Okay LLD you have my vote

This is likely scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

You should really not read into how I phrase these things. I'm purposefully trying to dodge directly quoting the role PM by accident. As far as I'm aware, I have no method of breaking the brainwashing.

This hosility seems unwarranted. One innocent question and you're overreacting to get him not to look further. Only the last sentence was necessary.

No one would call this hostility. Only you, and only when you have an agenda to push.

Reading into how people phrase things is part of sorting them. You and I are both aware of this. Yet, your post to Toog was telling him to not ask you for details and here you're claiming it's an agenda to ask for more information from you.

You know what, let's fight this out. I think (so far), that there's a decent chance you're scum. Let's argue around slots in the game.

If it's T v T, we get unique insights. If you're scum, you either act as a chicken shit or give content. So I'm picking a fight with you.

I also doubt you're a gravedigger when the only tracker is ridiculously gated.

Or I can just kill you?

Like I don't get what you think I would think there is to gain from arguing with you if you think I'm scum. All it would do is shit up the thread more than you are already doing, provide you with a chance to possibly wiggle free from my clutches and we'd convince each other of nothing.

No I'm happy pointing at your bad logic as you write it and reminding people that this is the last gasp desperate struggle for survival, and that indeed, scumreading me in this position is the only move you could make as scum to try and survive.

And that Town Titus wouldn't notice or care about that, and call me town anyway.

[Titus]

(also we test Manatee's claim by having her vote early then vote somewhere else to show that voting elsewhere does NOT move the second vote as claimed, aye?)

I still don't 100 percent get MG's claim. It's not a problem if I don't live, but I still would like to know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

I abjectly refuse to allow you to hammer anything.

You can have the second to last vote and we can coordinate that. But I refuse to allow you to hammer.

do you have a specific reasoning for this? if so please outline it

I do! I think you may be scum using my role claim as cover to do this play, where your role really cares about being the hammering vote on wagons to gain power.

It's a minor thought, maybe less than 10 or even 5 percent.

But if it IS true, it's always scum, so I refuse to allow you to hammer. Once we decide who dies, you can have 2nd to last vote, with your unmovable vote. But not hammer.

Shouldn't make any difference to you, right?

yea thats fine w me!

I don't see how LLD and MG have related roles. This just reeks of bullying.

Okay Titus. I've put up with a lot of bad faith shit from you already in this thread.

But this is too far.

First of all, in what way do I suggest we have related roles and why would that matter? If I have an opinion of their claim that worries me and I want to refuse to allow them to hammer.

Second of all, once again. No one would call this bullying. Only you, and only when you have an agenda push.

But this time you've crossed a line. It's like you're reading into me expecting me to get angry, and just labelling things thing that they aren't and would clearly never be with any other player.

Is that the goal, Titus. To get me upset? Make a big loud fight to escape from under?

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay LLD you have my vote

This is likely scum

Many years ago I used to believe that players that tag their votes to another player's were scum trying to escape responsibility for their votes. Every single one flipped town. I gave up on this as a scumtell.

[Titus]

Or I can just kill you?

Like I don't get what you think I would think there is to gain from arguing with you if you think I'm scum. All it would do is shit up the thread more than you are already doing, provide you with a chance to possibly wiggle free from my clutches and we'd convince each other of nothing.

No I'm happy pointing at your bad logic as you write it and reminding people that this is the last gasp desperate struggle for survival, and that indeed, scumreading me in this position is the only move you could make as scum to try and survive.

And that Town Titus wouldn't notice or care about that, and call me town anyway.

You have no desire to discuss your reads because there is no substance to them. You just do as you almost always do, attack those who FoS you.

Making you engage the thread, as opposed to just screaming that I am scum, shows that you aren't actually hunting at all.

Right now, I am at you and wheme being scum, subject to change.

[WhemeStar]

Titus is scum here it’s okay DGB

[WhemeStar]

Do you think I openly sheep my scum partner Titus

[DrippingGoofball]

Is that the goal, Titus. To get me upset?

Titus' posting is her usual frosty self, she is not trying to get you upset.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Titus

Pls clarify the claim, thanks.

Joat. I gain a point when a townie die. Each role has a point cost. In general, the more powerful the ability, the more the cost. I spend points to act.

A reminder that Toog took multiple posts to try and claim THIS and failed.

Also, a JOAT claim. Come on. Not only is that all kinds of levels of not confirmable, but also still doesn't match Toog's claim.

[Titus]

Okay LLD you have my vote

This is likely scum

Many years ago I used to believe that players that tag their votes to another player's were scum trying to escape responsibility for their votes. Every single one flipped town. I gave up on this as a scumtell.

That's not why I'm tagging that vote from Wheme as scum. Cabd also gave his sword.

It's wheme popping in and doing nothing else. Wheme during the few posts I did catch, is joking and doing nothing. He's hiding behind LLD.

[WhemeStar]

How am I hiding behind LLD

[Titus]

Is that the goal, Titus. To get me upset?

Titus' posting is her usual frosty self, she is not trying to get you upset.

This person of LLD gets angry if not getting their ass kissed. I don't do that. Rhi and I will have conflict. Regardless of Rhi's alignment, I am going to try and keep level headed to force Rhi's anger to help town or be really transparently scum.

[Titus]

How am I hiding behind LLD

Literally just said.

[Titus]

I just want a Manatee full claim at this point tbh

More rolefishing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or I can just kill you?

Like I don't get what you think I would think there is to gain from arguing with you if you think I'm scum. All it would do is shit up the thread more than you are already doing, provide you with a chance to possibly wiggle free from my clutches and we'd convince each other of nothing.

No I'm happy pointing at your bad logic as you write it and reminding people that this is the last gasp desperate struggle for survival, and that indeed, scumreading me in this position is the only move you could make as scum to try and survive.

And that Town Titus wouldn't notice or care about that, and call me town anyway.

You have no desire to discuss your reads because there is no substance to them. You just do as you almost always do,

attack those who FoS you.

Making you engage the thread, as opposed to just screaming that I am scum, shows that you aren't actually hunting at all.

Right now, I am at you and wheme being scum, subject to change.

The irony is simply delicious.

Not only are you accusing me of something impossible, since I scumread 3 players before any of them took a stance on my alignment, and infact I'm near universally townread.

But you have now scumread your two most ardent detractors, for what appears to be no other reason than that they scum read you.

Like Titus, so far, you've given 2 reads with 0 reasons besides "Wheme is scum for sheeping LLD" and "LLD is scum for her claim (no reason given, citation needed) and for pushing people the way she always pushes people"

Which is double hilarious because you claim to scum read me, then turn around and insult my play saying it's "what I always do"... which invalidates that it can be used to scumread me. It would make it null from your perspective.

[DrippingGoofball]

Titus is scum here it’s okay DGB

If Titus was scum, she'd go along with the prevailing winds and call me scum.

If LLD is saying the truth about being a

brainwashed townie performing the kills on behalf of scum

, scum would protect LLD and let her live to the bitter end. Not go after her in the game daylight hours.

[Titus]

i'd be ok w fullclaiming tbh im not sure i have a role i feel comfortable managing on my own

I'm locking ManateeGal as town. Scum don't do this usually unless they have a way to plan around such a leash. I don't fully get MG's role but I highly doubt they are scum.

[WhemeStar]

How am I hiding behind LLD

Literally just said.

Wouldn’t I be hiding behind cabd then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is that the goal, Titus. To get me upset?

Titus' posting is her usual frosty self, she is not trying to get you upset.

This person of LLD gets angry if not getting their ass kissed

. I don't do that. Rhi and I will have conflict. Regardless of Rhi's alignment, I am going to try and keep level headed to force Rhi's anger to help town or be really transparently scum.

...

You don't fucking know me. You don't know shit about me.

You've come into this thread and called me a bully, said I get angry if not getting my ass kissed. You know NOTHING about me, and are making these substantive claims about me as a person.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Titus is scum here it’s okay DGB

If Titus was scum, she'd go along with the prevailing winds and call me scum.

If LLD is saying the truth about being a

brainwashed townie performing the kills on behalf of scum

, scum would protect LLD and let her live to the bitter end. Not go after her in the game daylight hours.

Oh my god, DGB. How are you this bad at logic? Wait, you're scum. I take this back if you're scum.

If Titus went with the prevailing winds, she would DIE. This is survival based posting. All Titus is trying to do is survive, and she knows to do that means she needs to oppose me and scumread me.

If she does anything else, she has a higher likelyhood of dying.