Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.03

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Miss Midnight [4]:

PenguinPower, House, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever

Thor Ragnarok [2]:

Auro, Gamma Emerald

PenguinPower [1]:

Something_Smart

not voting [5]:

Flea the Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Titus, Bee

mod notes

~ i'm not counting 2547, as georgebailey is immune to all lethal forces known to man, which includes yeeting.
~ this vc was made after a sleepless night with just thesp's vote counter while phoneposting, because i currently do not have the time to turn my laptop on and reread the game from the last vc. please let me know if there are errors. this mod note is about 95% an excuse to complain about insomnia.
~ dual mod iso

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[PenguinPower]

Cheap shot, Dats.

[Something_Smart]

Nope.

No, you don't understand my point of view? Is there a part you'd like me to explain in more detail?

[House]

Nope.

No, you don't understand my point of view? Is there a part you'd like me to explain in more detail?

You can't explain 2+3= 87 and make it make sense.

[Something_Smart]

It's a good thing everything is as clear-cut as math, then.

[House]

Thor's play has been scummy regardless of his amount of experience.

Bottom line.

[House]

It's a good thing everything is as clear-cut as math, then.

I don't find ethics to be particularly murky, but that's just me.

Not saying I'm a saint, but i know when and how I'm wrong when it happens.

[Something_Smart]

So you think I'm 100% scum? Or what?

[House]

So you think I'm 100% scum? Or what?

I never said my opinion of your behavior was my opinion of your alignment.

Just because you do something i disagree with doesn't mean it's based on a red role pm.

[House]

Or to put it bluntly, I dislike what you did as a person, not a player.

[Something_Smart]

I get that. But I'm not asking about whether you

like

what I did, just whether you can understand it as coming from a genuine place. Based on what you're saying, it sounds like you can? Which means we can drop it.

[House]

That's exactly what i take issue with, actually.

That you feel such actions are justifiable.

[House]

I wanted to scumread you for shit stirring, but scum tends to do it in a way that pits town against each other instead of drawing heat onto themselves.

[Something_Smart]

I'm going to stop asking, because you clearly don't understand the question and I'm pretty sure I know the answer anyway.

[Something_Smart]

I'm sorry about the alt stuff, by the way. I agree it's problematic, but my general instinct if I think a rule is bad is to try to demonstrate that rule is bad by exploiting it. Which is a scientific approach, and it can be effective at revealing issues, but it's not always appropriate.

Given how much information Thor was giving about his main, I figured it would at least not be upsetting to him (and it seems like I was correct in that judgement), but I wasn't really thinking about if it would upset other people.

[House]

Who it was done to didn't matter to me personally insomuch as it was done at all.

That's something that i would not like to see become a part of the site meta, because it can make games unpleasant.

That said, water under the bridge and all.

[Something_Smart]

Anyway, with that aside... I still think the argument that Thor is playing dumb has some merit. Regardless of what PP thinks, there are surely people who were historically on the site who would do that.

And I also don't want this argument to die because the person pushing it did; while PP is right that NK's happen for a variety of reasons, I think it's pretty safe to say that tw's thoughts are going to get less consideration relative to their merit because he's no longer around to push them.

[House]

I disagree.

Thor is still under intense scrutiny today, and i don't see a world where he survives to Elo.

[House]

Aren't you kinda wasting your vote on a vanity wagon instead of helping to push Thor into hammer range for some chaotic hammer happy dunce to do what must be done?

[House]

On an unrelated note, as roles are not tied to alignment, i don't believe anyone should claim for the rest of the game.

Any "good roles" that town can benefit from are "horrible roles" in the hands of scum, so their role is no reason to dismantle the wagon.

It also takes away a tool from scum's box of tricks (running up town for a claim to know who to nk).

[House]

Also, if scum got the vig/pgo choice, they probably took pgo for the extra kill, so I would recommend against targeting scumspects until/unless the vig shot is used.

If town has the vig shot, it should probably be used tonight on whichever of Thor/MM is not eliminated.

Thoughts?

[Something_Smart]

On an unrelated note, as roles are not tied to alignment, i don't believe anyone should claim for the rest of the game.

Any "good roles" that town can benefit from are "horrible roles" in the hands of scum, so their role is no reason to dismantle the wagon.

I don't think this is uniformly true-- some roles benefit town way more than they benefit scum. For example cop.

[House]

On an unrelated note, as roles are not tied to alignment, i don't believe anyone should claim for the rest of the game.

Any "good roles" that town can benefit from are "horrible roles" in the hands of scum, so their role is no reason to dismantle the wagon.

I don't think this is uniformly true-- some roles benefit town way more than they benefit scum. For example cop.

There is no alignment cop in this setup, so your point is moot.

[Titus]

Weee be back tomorrow!

[House]

I think it's pretty safe to say that tw's thoughts are going to get less consideration relative to their merit because he's no longer around to push them.

This is a little unfair to me, because I've been pushing the worst's posts as reasons for scum!Thor since near the start of toDay.