mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[Aristeia]

That was not selective quoting.

another lie

[NorwegianboyEE]

Go to bed Aristeia, i’ll do you an favour and let you get the last word. See you.

[Aristeia]

You’re just trying to LAMIST very hard.

You're literally just making up one lie after another so that this thread is unreadable

Then stop responding.

You want me to stop talking so you will stop lying?

Wow.

That's amazing

[T3]

I like how RCE never came back.

same

[T3]

Omfg i just missed my bus stop typing that. -_-

omg yes
norwee is bussing ari
the game is solved /j

[T3]

Ari's case is so terrible
Likke since when is a scum strat to spam and powerwolf

[NorwegianboyEE]

I tried pulling that one myself like two years ago.
I was like: "Omg, Radiantcowbells pushed two whole wrong eliminations and is powerwolfing!!"

And then i got limmed.

[T3]

xD
imagine like actually doing that
scum usually show up less on hammered wagons, not more

[NorwegianboyEE]

How does it feel to be my scum partner T3.
My god, we’re really pulling through.

[T3]

ikr
now let's convince mastina to vote so dwlee can quickhammer

[Datisi]

i'm here pretending to be following along when in reality i'll probably end up sheeping retti's read of scum probably not shitpushing tldne out of the game yesterday had tldne/rce been town/town, as tldne was publicly pained

i should probably take a look at why/when aristeia decided to vote norwee, gonna try to do that within the next 12 hours i guess lol

[mastina]

Mastina, instead of looking for evidence that confirms your worldview, you should look for things that disconfirm it.

I am.

It's just that there's actually not a lot of evidence which does, whereas there's a plethora of evidence which supports the worldview I have. If there wasn't that evidence, I wouldn't have the worldview in the first place.

Among the things bothering me is, frankly: you. In Garfild minus Garfield, your content was present but it had a fundamental tone to it: lighthearted, not too serious, kinda fun, not overly invested, like you were basically memeing, maybe even trolling, where it looked like you were having fun, but were still contributing.

In the game I designed, this was doubly so. You were a gif-posting machine whose content outside of gifs was fairly sparse. You did give reads, and reasons, but you were lighthearted the entire time, with an aura of casualness, lack-of-seriousness, all-around playfulness and funness to be had.

Here, it feels like the inverse. There's still the gifs, but there's an aura of seriousness, even pre-lylo but especially in lylo. There's no fun to be had. There was very very little in way of lightheartedness to be had. Fundamentally, there is an entirely different tone to be had.

Now granted, you only have three games under your belt including this one on this account, but me not knowing who you're an alt of means I've only got those three games to go off of--and the stark contrast between you in this game and you in both of the games I've seen you in before is...well, rather stark.

How is it that the player who twice as town hasn't taken the game too seriously, is in this game taking the game dead seriously?

I know you were town in both of those games, but what in this game would make you take it dead seriously as town? Especially when you post things like,

I don't really have any hope for this game because it feels like we're very close to losing and I'm not as committed as people who have been here the entire time,

I know Mastina is already leaning towards voting for RCE so if that's the end there then let's just lose - I'm not really interested in getting upset about this like TLDNE was.

I could read this game and put effort into it.

However I saw where that got the previous town players who tried to steer towards other areas.

They were simply ignored, shouted down and murdered.

I have no interest in putting effort into this game as fmpov

this is almost certainly lost as town players refuse to see basic reason and instead listen to someone who is just shouting "rce scum".

I'm going to stop posting because your plan is to literally drown the thread in garbage shit posts do demotivate an already demoralized town into giving you the vote you need to win.

I'm done here.

I tried my best if it doesn't work whatever I don't care.

I'm going to bed.

If town is too lazy to play this game please just vote me out so I can yell at you post game with Titus/SS/Lilith about how ridiculous town play has been this entire game.

It's disappointing and I regret ever replacing into this game.

You've, repeatedly, said you don't care.
And yet your dead serious posting and extreme effort say otherwise.

Every time you say one thing, but do another. You say you don't care, that you're done, but then you put in more effort, which shows that you do.

Why the seriousness?

Why the sudden devotion to giving this game 100%?

You've, in both of your prior towngames, not efforted like this even remotely. You weren't doing absolutely nothing in either of them, but you were jokey, lighthearted, memey, etc. Yet here you've been far more serious basically since the moment you replaced in. You've said you don't care yet the lack of memeing, the lack of jokiness, the presence of seriousness and effort, says you do care.

All that aside from a "wait a second..." moment I had in realizing your claim.

You claim you still have a pain potion.
So

what was your slot doing N1?
What were you doing N2?

Why do you still have a pain potion on D3?

No paining here

He said he didn't pain here, but why not? Why no action then, and what were you doing on N2, and why do you still have a pain potion come D3?

These are all things that I've noticed, aside from how your slot has game-long associatives with the RCE slot. (And a lesser extent Datisi slot.)

[mastina]

Btw another thing I just did.
I just did a scan of Norwee's first three pages of iso searching for T3.

Though Norwee never voted T3 and the only push against T3 could in fact fit as scum distancing, the Norwee interactions with T3 look incredibly not-scum-scum. They look incredibly fluid, natural, and not scumbuddyish. While Norwee's interactions with T3 could come from scum interacting with a town player (as in, Norwee is scum, T3 isn't), that runs into the issue of who Norwee would be scum with as he cannot be scum with Datisi and is almost definitely not scum with RCE.

It's obviously

possible

that the interactions which don't look scum-scum are in fact, in spite of their appearance of not being scum-scum, actually scum-scum. But this is not how I would expect Norwee to interact with a scumbuddy. Norwee being House's scumbuddy was immediately obvious to me in Open Draft Mafia when I was doing team-crafting work. I could tell it from what he was posting that he was scum with House once House was known to be scum.

Yet here his interactions with T3 look nothing like his interactions with House in that game. Now, admittedly, Norwee's interactions with T3 this game are closer to Norwee's interactions with his other scumbuddy Dwlee in that game, but while the Norwee-Dwlee from that game is closer to the Norwee-T3 of this game the interactions still don't fully match and are still something that looks different.

[mastina]

Speaking of Norwee-Dwlee this game though, it's not impossible for them to be scum I admit, but it doesn't look like the Norwee-Dwlee interactions from Open Draft Mafia nor the Norwee-House interactions from that game.

I realize that a scumteam with 2/3 of the same members would need to change things up in order to not get caught again--but just because they know they need to change things up does not mean they will succeed in actually having done so. I'd expect to see some obvious signs that they missed of their dynamic if they were scum here, but I struggle to see that here.

[mastina]

Btw from the T3 side of the iso: I realize that he has had Norwee as town, pretty strongly so, for the whole game.
I realize that scumbuddies can strongly defend scumbuddies.
But T3 if he were scum with Norwee full-committed to a hard-townread, hard-defense, absolute lock-in of Norwee as town with zero budging, zero doubt, zero wavering, meaning that if T3 were scum with Norwee, they from the getgo decided to more or less full-send-it by committing to a dedicated townread there.

It is not impossible, sure.

But the read and the reasons for it feel incredibly natural, organic, fluid. T3's townread of Norwee doesn't feel forced; it feels completely and entirely real, sincere, done not out of a fake townread but of a genuine sorting of the game. I get that in this setup, there is an incentive for scum to protect scum, but if T3 was scum here, I'd expect his defense of Norwee to be a stretch, to be forced, to be something that he needed to go out of his way to do, but as far as I can tell it developed completely on its own, organically, naturally, as a result of just the two meeting and engaging with prior experience with each other.

I realize it's not

impossible

for a scumteam of Norwee and T3 to, collectively, have concocted a grand scheme:
Deliberately try to completely and totally snow me with planning as to specifically how to fool me, while planning how to make fluid interactions, planning on defending each other and giving one another the exact resources necessary in order to coordinate a natural-looking progression where they end up townreading each other. That's something which COULD happen, but if it happened, they basically pulled it off flawlessly and effortlessly and it was a complete success, worthy of a hats-off nod, tip of respect, for their planning to have pulled off that elaborate juke, that elaborate deception, to misdirect everyone except for Titus and get Titus out D1.

But while it's possible.

It doesn't look probable.

The sheer amount of combined luck/skill to pull that theoretical narrative off is mind-blowing. It couldn't literally be all skill, nor could it all be sheer dumb luck with no forethought, no semblance of planning, done at all. It'd have to have been a combination of both in sheer magnitudes to have worked out, of having pulled the deception off, left basically no trail, having both members individually look town, with interactions that don't look scum-scum, to everyone except for one town player that they forced as the D1 elimination and then for them to have gotten away with it and then correctly banked on me not reevaluating and/or banked on me reading things and still getting it wrong in the end.

The implausibility of that boggles the mind.

Whereas the comparatively simple answer is:
Two players look town this game because they are town.

I realize that if Norwee and T3 are scum we live in a world where they happened to enact the perfect plan they needed in order to get a chance at winning, somehow having either concocted it perfectly or having lucked out in it being the perfect plan or a bit of both. But they did need to have basically absolute luck, absolute perfect planning, and/or some combination of luck/planning in order to have left so little evidence behind.

Their interactions aren't impossible to be scum-scum, but their interactions don't look scum-scum, and both players look town individually.

[mastina]

I'd also like to say that while T3 may not have voted Dwlee and thus from that stance is at least someone you could say is possibly scum with Dwlee, his iso does strongly suggest otherwise. In particular, his treatment of Dwlee on the second page of his iso, including the meta dive, does not look buddy-buddy at all. It looks incredibly town from T3 just in general but also looks anti-buddy with Dwlee given how overall willing he was to push on Dwlee.

[Dwlee99]

I believe aristeia is Pooky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Aristeia is Pooky i will literally eat my shorts while livestreaming it on Twitch.

[Aristeia]

You claim you still have a pain potion.
So what was your slot doing N1?
What were you doing N2?
Why do you still have a pain potion on D3?

I have 1 pain potion and no other potions.

My slot did nothing on Night 1. I don't know why Emperor did nothing on Night 1 because he didn't leave me a message explaining his actions.

I didn't use my 1 pain potion on Night 2 because I literally just replaced in and I didn't know what to do with it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you ready to place vote yet Mastina?
I can vote RCE/Ari/Datisi
Frankly it doesn’t matter.
Maybe Datisi last though, but i feel relatively confident enough to do him as well.

[mastina]

VOTE: Cass bruant
Day cop potion

Also this was past the rvs and was Dwlee voting the T3 slot.

VOTE: T3

With this as well. Their progression on the slot also looks incredibly natural and fluid.

VOTE: t3

Plus they did this, too.

Also saying that Norwe posted no content which is uh false.

Being wrong is scum because?
-S

The word lying comes to mind.

VOTE: t3
I don't think town!t3 makes this post

Plus there was this as well.

Also saying that Norwe posted no content which is uh false.

Being wrong is scum because?
-S

The word lying comes to mind.

VOTE: t3
I don't think town!t3 makes this post

Just grabbed why I think this:

Imo provable lies are nai.

Backed by this.

Dwlee's interaction with T3 looks incredibly fluid and natural for the whole game as the progression there doesn't look forced. Admittedly, Dwlee can be scum without T3, but they don't look like they are scum with T3 as their interactions with T3 genuinely don't look like they are looking to fool others into thinking "this isn't a scum-scum interaction". It looks like Dwlee is trying to genuinely reach out to T3 or when Dwlee was voting T3 to genuinely reach out to others to vote with them, rather than something done as an act to make things look convincing to the town.

[Aristeia]

Now granted, you only have three games under your belt including this one on this account, but me not knowing who you're an alt of means I've only got those three games to go off of--and the stark contrast between you in this game and you in both of the games I've seen you in before is...well, rather stark.

How is it that the player who twice as town hasn't taken the game too seriously, is in this game taking the game dead seriously?

I know you were town in both of those games, but what in this game would make you take it dead seriously as town? Especially when you post things like,

I don't know if you've noticed.

But people tend to play games differently depending on how much fun they are having and whether they are winning.

In Garfield and in The Other Game,

Town was never in serious trouble or in danger of losing.

I got aggressive at times when challenged in both games but I was overall happy because we were WAY ahead and likely to win in both of the games, we were never anywhere CLOSE to Elo.

We nailed scum early(D1, D2) respectively and had associations to go off of, things to solve for.

I am more fun and happy when I'm winning.

I am LOSING in this game.

I have very very LITTLE HOPE OF winning.

I tend to get upset when I see a town not listening to me and the game looks like a certain loss.

[Aristeia]

I replaced into this game. Was having fun posting gifs etc

then I woke up today and found myself in elo without a single scum flip

so yea I am not happy

BECAUSE I AM TOWN

[NorwegianboyEE]

Certain loss for scum that is.