Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

i'm impatient

[PenguinPower]

In case I get vigged -> remember that my spicy take is Penguin scum.

I don't remember you having this take at all. What is the basis for it?

That's why I added the adjective "spicy"

Penguin's poor logic in his attack on me, and his further pushes without acknowledging arguments against it.

it's not poor logic though

theory vs. application and all that.

[House]

In case I get vigged -> remember that my spicy take is Penguin scum.

I don't remember you having this take at all. What is the basis for it?

That's why I added the adjective "spicy"

Penguin's poor logic in his attack on me, and his further pushes without acknowledging arguments against it.

Guess I'm scum too.

[Auro]

Guess I'm scum too.

Nope.

it's not poor logic though

theory vs. application and all that.

Forget theory - application wise that possibility is a stretch.
This was not the primary counter anyway, which was that I fakehammer

every game

when I see the chance. I do it multiple times in the same game.

[PenguinPower]

Forget theory - application wise that possibility is a stretch.

Application-wise, it's what happened.

This was not the primary counter anyway, which was that I fakehammer every game when I see the chance. I do it multiple times in the same game.

You establishing a meta of fakehammering doesn't impact that actual reason behind you doing so. If anything, it creates a shield that allows you to say just this.

[House]

I just don't think the fakehammer is the smoking gun PP believes it to be.

[Datisi]

vote count 2.05

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Miss Midnight [5]:

PenguinPower, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever, Bee, Gamma Emerald

Auro [2]:

Titus, Thor Ragnarok

Something_Smart [2]:

Flea The Magician, House

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Auro

PenguinPower [1]:

Something_Smart

not voting [1]:

Miss Midnight

mod notes

~ still making these only via the automatic vote counter, lemme know if there are errors.
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[Auro]

Except I find value in fakehammers for the reactions they draw (and it's also fun), which are the "actual" reasons I pull them off. I didn't establish the meta for the sake of establishing that meta, it's something I do because of those exact reasons every time.

Why ignore that and instead post-hoc reason that since Enchant

happened

to get a few town points for his reaction to a reaction (which is contrived), it's more probable that I planned it so?

[PenguinPower]

I just don't think the fakehammer is the smoking gun PP believes it to be.

I don't think it's a smoking gun otherwise I would be tunneled there. I do think it is

evidence

though.

[PenguinPower]

Except I find value in fakehammers for the reactions they draw (and it's also fun), which are the "actual" reasons I pull them off. I didn't establish the meta for the sake of establishing that meta, it's something I do because of those exact reasons every time.

Why ignore that and instead post-hoc reason that since Enchant

happened

to get a few town points for his reaction to a reaction (which is contrived), it's more probable that I planned it so?

Well - one - I'm not familiar with that meta as far as I can recall, though we haven't played a lot together. So, eh. Two, that requires me to believe you which requires me to think you're town so, eh. Three, because your stated theory isn't what happened in reality, and given that we now know that Enchant was scum I should look back at things that happened around his wagon. That's kinda the game unlesss you just want me to lolvote the whole time.

[Auro]

My stated theory is what happened in reality if Gamma is town: my fakehammer drew a reaction from him which dismantled the wagon on him and ultimately led to a scum elimination.

This is verifiable meta, you don't have the requirement of needing to think I'm town to believe said meta.

Sure, it's kinda the game - positing theories backed by poor logic as scum to push your desired eliminations

[PenguinPower]

My stated theory is what happened in reality if Gamma is town: my fakehammer drew a reaction from him which dismantled the wagon on him and ultimately led to a scum elimination.

If this is what you believe happened it's a waste of time to speak to you.

[PenguinPower]

This is verifiable meta, you don't have the requirement of needing to think I'm town to believe said meta.

Coolio - verify it for me pls.

[House]

Sure, it's kinda the game - positing theories backed by poor logic as scum to push your desired eliminations

That's some T0 shade... and that's coming from *me* of all people.

[Flea The Magician]

Can a couple of people unvote me? I'm really starting to feel the pressure and it's making it really hard to form coherent thoughts without being worried more people will scumread me for saying something dumb. It's hard for me to work in these constrained environments.

More reason to keep it on you, honestly. the AtE is not a good look and it's lacking actual emotional content.

If you had spent the day parked on Enchant and he flipped green, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you, because your have been being your vote on your analysis.

Seconded. You did all that analysis, and avoided the result. If there's a way to prove your conviction in your own work, your vote should follow the results.

I'm clearly never scum with Miss Midnight if you look at how she reacted to me earlier in this game.

I have the power to kill and I'm willing to direct my shot based on what town thinks is best.

I'm hoping you have proof of this.also that fucking claim though.

Bee 5

Miss Midnight 8

Something_Smart 9

Thor Ragnarok 10

Auro 69

Titus 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

the worst 3

Cat Scratch Fever 3

Enchant 4

House 4

Flea The Magician 13
Gamma Emerald 13
PenguinPower 15
ManateeGal 15

I'd be shocked if none of the top 5 were scum. Bee and Titus seem likely town for pushing Enchant and Titus being counterwagoned to him. Something_Smart has felt towny this game for other reasons.

This as well as Enchant's play and reads leads strongly to one of Miss Midnight or Auro beings scum.

The other scum by my wager is in the bottom 4.

Given Enchant picked 4, House is always town, and it makes Cat Scratch Fever a lot less likely to be scum too since scum like to spread their number picks out and not pick numbers next to each other. The faulty reasoning in this is that they don't like being too close to each other in fear of looking partnered, but this is flawed and not how randomness works.

That is the shittiest clear I have witnessed in a long time.

Interesting you didn't vote for Miss Midnight when she was your counterwagon and at 4 votes.

ok betelgeuse much?

No, I'm projecting based on Meta Manipulation tactics.

I mean projecting in the psychology sense (assuming that other people think/act similarly to you). Just because you would never play differently as scum on a gimmick alt doesn't mean nobody would. And people do, because I've seen it.

ok psychology time.
I know nobody will think or act similarly to me. my methods are weird, and yes on an alt I play differently. I play differently in hydras too
Now my initial point was that people can and will play differently on alts. You have simply enforced that point but played it as though its your point and not mine.
Now you're keeping my vote.

But that is just a completely shitty vote.

Is it though? You saw my reasoning, right?

Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.

Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.

Small problem... I'm not attacking your Thor vote.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

I'm attacking your PP vote.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

Do you think S_S is a better elim than MM or Thor today?

Not better, but certainly getting up there.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

This could be fun.

VOTE: S_S

Care to elaborate?

[Something_Smart]

For you to take shady actions as a scum alt, you have to take shady actions as a town alt

Wait, what is this if not a counterargument to my Thor vote? My whole reasoning was that Thor was playing in a shady way as scum that he wouldn't as town.

[Something_Smart]

Small problem... I'm not attacking your Thor vote.

Reread the post you quoted. It's explaining my PP vote.

[Flea The Magician]

Do you honestly believe that people alt just so they can openwolf freely? Slight strawman, but you should see my point?

[Flea The Magician]

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

You're better than this

Also where's your argument for

this

lol

I make pissy protest votes all the time

True. But that is just a completely shitty vote. And I've played with you a couple of times, remember?

But that is just a completely shitty vote.

Is it though? You saw my reasoning, right?

Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.

Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.

reads like thor reasoning to me. But I am stoned and tired, so will reread later.

[Something_Smart]

Do you honestly believe that people alt just so they can openwolf freely?

I think that's at least as believable as someone being supposedly experienced on the site and making as many baffling mistakes as he has made.

[Something_Smart]

Like, he apparently didn't know how role randomization worked, or what a bah post was (despite these being way more common in the past), or who was playing in the game, or how to check people's post counts. But he seems to be pretty familiar with the site. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely, so other unlikely options look more likely by comparison.

[Something_Smart]

reads like thor reasoning to me. But I am stoned and tired, so will reread later.

Please do, it's not exactly easy to follow. In a nutshell:
- Ducky raised arguments against Thor. PP did not address them.
- Ducky died overnight.
- I raised the same arguments against Thor. PP jumped in to argue against them.

[PenguinPower]

I must like duck a lot and hate you.

Or, I didn’t see them and find this funny. Geez lots of people “ignored” duck or maybe D1 was over 2000 posts long.

[PenguinPower]

Like - if I’m scum I did myself a disservice killing duck.

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm