Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[Dorsey]

I'm doing my part.

[Titus]

I guess I just don't know what content is, because none of what's been presented has looked damnable to me. It might not be RVS, but it's definitely a half-assed voting stage - maybe that's the transition period.

("For once"? How long have we been playing together?)

Content doesn't have to be damning. It just needs to be something that makes someone appear to be >random chance that someone is town or scum. Opinions can, and do, change over time. As the game progresses, more evidence is gathered and people weigh that evidence.

Four ommon types are tone, meta, voting analysis, and associations. Tone is whether someone emotionally feels like scum. Meta involves comparing this game to past completed games of the same person. Voting analysis takes people's votes and determines who is scum. Associations or associatives, look at how people treat other slots in the game. Unflipped associatives are generally viewed as the weakest form of evidence.

[Titus]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

I don't like the tone of this post.

[Titus]

I'm doing my part.

While you wait, can you give reads on slots without factoring in why they are pushing you?

[RCEnigma]

Catching up.

[RCEnigma]

Busy, understandable. still though.... your opening posts are off somehow....

expand on that read?

five post in short succession, barely half is what I can consider "content" rest is filler, it might just be your style but it doesn't feel good for me

you're not the only one though with off-putting posts, but the rest haven't posted as much

because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.

Was 38 RVs or a legitimate read?

[RCEnigma]

Assume that I know the answer.

[RCEnigma]

Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

Do I, though?

I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.

My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.

Well considering the vote on Titus followed after your rvs vote I'd make the assumption your read on Titus is semi-serious. If that's the case there is a lack of critical thinking (that may be the wrong phrase and it may be a lack of articulation).

What about Titus pointing out inconsistent voting is scummy? What does it imply about Dorsey's alignment?

[RCEnigma]

because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.

some people have posted more, and you're right, it's NAI, but I'll keep my other eye on you still.

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

Now, now. I'm actually still waiting on A to Z's slot so that I can properly assess everyone, but we still have days until Day ends, so I don't mind waiting. I'll reveal my standing on y'all then

I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.

Thoughts with no further context:

Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing

Can you at least give some clearance over why I'm above dorsey or why Greeting is 'meh'?

I've moved you back to null actually.

I thought your push against grandpa was promising but we didn't actually see the same thing. With that in mind I have to take the interaction at face value where I wasn't initially if that makes sense.

Greeting is meh because his vote on Titus is really weak but it doesn't definitely mean scum and I've got bigger fish to fry.

[RCEnigma]

also random gutreads:
grandpa mo is weird
dew is neutral
dorsey is probably the scummiest rn, but don't really wanna vote em yet (mostly bc i don't wanna omgus, but also because it's really early to put them at plur)
alwaysnever is pretty townie to meh, as is uhuh
titus is town.
finally, RCEnigma is neutral, but slightly town-leaning.

Newbies might have changed but I don't think plurality is a thing in this queue.

What's wrong with OMGUS on your seemingly strongest scumread?

[RCEnigma]

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

[RCEnigma]

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

[RCEnigma]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

How does scum won't bus this early translate into Dorsey!scum?

[RCEnigma]

I guess I just don't know what content is, because none of what's been presented has looked damnable to me. It might not be RVS, but it's definitely a half-assed voting stage - maybe that's the transition period.

("For once"? How long have we been playing together?)

And Titus's Post 89 is jumping into the middle of a conversation and taking it out of context. TL was saying my vote wasn't RVS (it was) and Post 68 was me challenging his push to retroactively declare that. Are games typically this opportunistic?

Titus post is more of an informative one nothing more nothing less, which is how I'm taking it.

Once someone breaks up my pagewall of posts I can get into what I'm viewing as content in terms of indicative behavior or at the very least "clues" towards alignment related tendencies.

But Titus isn't wrong, RVs isn't a set deadline and can be longer or shorter for different slots. It's solely for producing content from an information barren gamestate. This can be from reactions, logic lines, vote movements etc.

[GrandpaMo]

Two people having an avid interaction doesn't mean they're not both scum, because smart scum interacts with each other. So like, your entire reasoning is just pointless. For pushing such a pointless, flawed argument, and generally just doing nothing substantial, I'm going to

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Also keeping an eye on UhUh for just being chaotic.

im not even pushing it thats the problem lol...

im not even saying they are both scum? can you please read and not maniupulate my context?

[GrandpaMo]

And if you're saying there's '1 scum in between', which one is the scum? And how are you drawing this conclusion? And why would the scum not be Dew if she initiated the interaction?

i am saying there is one scum between because of how the interaction initiated. i am saying you are never alligned here. so one is either town or scum. and no dew can still be town here -- it doesn't matter who initiated the conversation. yes it was an rvs vote, but the way you questioned could be from a town pov or scum pov then how dew continued it in post 17 just further confirms that.

please read before taken words out of context. and also dorsey wtf do u not understand about this .. its just a simple basic read that i wanted to start for discussion so far you have been very keen on potraying like im scumalligned with either or, which i have not pushed either one u. im not even targetring that read at you specifically nor at them. its a general read. u might be scum being paranoid due to this and scared that i was scumreading u lol

[GrandpaMo]

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

[GrandpaMo]

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

[Greeting]

Can you cite which post was desperate?

It's not really about any single content of your posts hun. You seem to care way too much to not get lynched, that's all.

[Greeting]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

I don't like the tone of this post.

[Greeting]

Oh, I remember now, I liked uhuh trying to get a more precise articulation out of Dorsey.

Greeting has the worst non RVS vote up to this point.

Do I, though?

I don’t know the playing style of people in this forum. However, if I did and played a game with them, attempting to get a read on their alignment would be my first move. Dew, if I’m not mistaken, is a newbie, like me. It seems odd that Titus went after them before checking out the rest of the semi-experienced players. Interestingly enough, Dew has two votes as of now, and Titus moved their vote for someone else. Way to draw attention to a random player and go back into the shadow.

My vote stays where it is, unless something convinces me otherwise.

Well considering the vote on Titus followed after your rvs vote I'd make the assumption your read on Titus is semi-serious. If that's the case there is a lack of critical thinking (that may be the wrong phrase and it may be a lack of articulation).

What about Titus pointing out inconsistent voting is scummy? What does it imply about Dorsey's alignment?

In most mafia games I've played, nobody had anything on Day One. I don't believe one can get a strong and very credible read unless they know the other players gaming style really well. Since Titus is apparently an older member and Dew a newer member, it struck me as odd that they tried to get a read over something like that. sure, it was RVS, but the mafia participate in that as well. And their votes will not be so random.

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

How does scum won't bus this early translate into Dorsey!scum?

Dorsey so far occupies one of the top spots in the tally and is in the spotlight. When re-reading the thread, their posts started to pique my interest somewhere around page 3.

[Dorsey]

@Titus: I don't know how to do what you're asking of me.

Hopefully some of the more exploitative players are becoming obvious

[Dorsey]

@GrandpaMo: You sound hostile. Please don't be upset. All I'm saying is I don't understand what you mean - can you dumb it down for me? You haven't been voted, you haven't been attacked - I'm just clarifying.

@Greeting: We don't use the L-word. Also, you're saying that I'm being paranoid without being able to cite where I'm being paranoid. Are you trying to penalize me for playing? I didn't know I was expected to roll over and die like a 'good miselim'.

[RCEnigma]

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?

[RCEnigma]

In most mafia games I've played, nobody had anything on Day One. I don't believe one can get a strong and very credible read unless they know the other players gaming style really well. Since Titus is apparently an older member and Dew a newer member, it struck me as odd that they tried to get a read over something like that. sure, it was RVS, but the mafia participate in that as well. And their votes will not be so random.

i do this all the time. honestly the first 10 pages or so can be incredibly alignment indicative.