Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Lukewarm]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

i
This is an interesting take. What would make you think I was whiteknighting you, when I feel like I possibly the most vocal about killing your slot outside of LLD?

Unless you mean this reach out now that you are essentially dead?

This is because, if you are town, having your thoughts would be good. But if you are scum, still having you put your thoughts out would be good

[Titus]

3) Honestly, it's a tone thing.

You’re going to have to show me this, my dude

Due to being an Aspie, tonal reads are hard to explain for me. I value them less myself and understand if others do too.

[Titus]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

i
This is an interesting take. What would make you think I was whiteknighting you, when I feel like I possibly the most vocal about killing your slot outside of LLD?

Unless you mean this reach out now that you are essentially dead?

This is because, if you are town, having your thoughts would be good. But if you are scum, still having you put your thoughts out would be good

I felt like you labeled my slot a goner and felt bad about it but never pushed me. Maybe I was blinded by LLD though.

[Kate Bishop]

It’s like Luke is determined to make Fferys case for her and make me look dumb

[Titus]

@Titus

-Kyouko

I feel Kyouko has a certain lack of oopmh as scum, which I see here.

[Kate Bishop]

Placement in tiers is strongest left to right

{Marci, LLD}
{Kate, Dunn, Gif}
{Uwnd, Ssbm, Manatee}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, Wheme, Luke}
{Toog}


I am something like this. Time to break out the sad trombone?

This still more or less where you are at?

Uhhhhh, mostlysortakindaish although placement within tiers probably shifted.

Toogus aside, if anything wheme down and unwnd down, luke and SSBM up...

Something like this?

{Marci, LLD, Kate}
{Ssbm, Dunn, Gif}
{Manatee, Luke}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, S_S (unwnd)}
{Wheme}

I get that DGB has a valid dreaming god crumb but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative for it.

Aside from Wheme our lines are drawn in the same place.

What leads you to have unwnd in the touchable section?

You know I had anticipated you'd ask this and had a kickass metaphor to deploy at my ready and then kiddo decided I'm a jingle gym and it went out to the corner store for milk to never return.

So, non-metaphorically?

[ManateeGal]

bam boom bow! whats goin on friends

[Cabd]

I think that getting into a fight with somebody due to potentially non game related reasons fits perfectly well into hot headed unwnd scum potential given the past.

I think dismissing the interaction is impossible to come from scum is extremely lazy.

I don't have a major reason to town read the slot and the town ship is out of life vests.

Same reason why cephtd and Annie ended up in my scum list last time. Or flea in yggdra. I could go on.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn- our reads are very much in flux atm. Where is your head at?

Also reconsidering things and deciding where my line on who I'd be willing to eliminate is

Titus not flipping until after is complicated, it means we need to focus on eliminations that are neutral (i.e. I'm not interested in pushing someone who pushed for toog/titus today without seeing flip, even if we think town is more likely based on the way they are acting (?))

I don't currently have a target on who I want eliminated, if that person isn't Wheme.

There is one person who soft claimed a role which I am now suspicious of (the soft claim) - and no I'm not talking about cabd, but there's no good way of explaining the read without laying the whole soft on the table

[Kate Bishop]

I think that getting into a fight with somebody due to potentially non game related reasons fits perfectly well into hot headed unwnd scum potential given the past.

I think dismissing the interaction is impossible to come from scum is extremely lazy.

I don't have a major reason to town read the slot and the town ship is out of life vests.

Same reason why cephtd and Annie ended up in my scum list last time. Or flea in yggdra. I could go on.

On a somewhat related note, I reread 2181 when unwnd replaced in last night, and his starting-line push kinda had a similar feel to it from the perspective of months later and histories better understood.

[DrippingGoofball]

The read makes me feel sad and mean in equal parts.

Me too cuz ur rong

[Dunnstral]

We have too much DPS in the party.

[Lukewarm]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

i
This is an interesting take. What would make you think I was whiteknighting you, when I feel like I possibly the most vocal about killing your slot outside of LLD?

Unless you mean this reach out now that you are essentially dead?

This is because, if you are town, having your thoughts would be good. But if you are scum, still having you put your thoughts out would be good

I felt like you labeled my slot a goner and felt bad about it but never pushed me. Maybe I was blinded by LLD though.

I did most of my pushing on your slot before you repped in, so I guess I can see this ?

[DrippingGoofball]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

Your playerslot and mine are in the same predicament, we are both tainted by LLD's pushes and a bunch of sheeps. I really identified with Toog's emotions because I felt the same way he did.

I have to remember this when I'm scum. Make really loud and categorical scum reads on a few townies and their names will be mud for the rest of the game. It's like everyone comes in lazily,

"hey let's pay close attention to this player that is so strongly scumread."

Then it snowballs out of control. There's literally nothing I can do at this point to get a townread by anyone, literally every goddam thing I say is taken as scum ramblings. From my perspective I am bleeding town with every word I type and I can't get through to anybody.

I hope you're actually town so that I don't look like a cretin on top of everything.

[GuyInFreezer]

Y’all don’t know my reads because I haven’t posted an updated one for so long :^)

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m home now so I prob should go over things tomorrow though

[ManateeGal]

finding it easier to TR dgb and increasingly difficult to do the same for wheme, though that self meta totally threw me off balance

[Lukewarm]

It’s like Luke is determined to make Fferys case for her and make me look dumb

I don't actually know what you mean here. I can be the dumb one, its fine

[Kate Bishop]

I wanted you lower in the list. Ffery wanted you where you ended up.

[WhemeStar]

finding it easier to TR dgb and increasingly difficult to do the same for wheme, though that self meta totally threw me off balance

Want to explain

[WhemeStar]

Why compare a third party game too my scum game though?

You could win with either scum team. You were sort of a super-traitor.

I know you said you didn't realize what your wincon meant, but we're looking from the outside and can't take that statement completely at face value.

Sorry for late reply but I figured I needed to reply to this

Do you think I played that game any way near you would have played that role? I was playing for survival which meant I had to play as a town member.

[Kate Bishop]

I would like the record to reflect (at least for me) it’s a matter of everyone else being a stronger townread, DGB. But I’m still reevaluating and not writing you off.

[Cabd]

Why compare a third party game too my scum game though?

You could win with either scum team. You were sort of a super-traitor.

I know you said you didn't realize what your wincon meant, but we're looking from the outside and can't take that statement completely at face value.

Sorry for late reply but I figured I needed to reply to this

Do you think I played that game any way near you would have played that role? I was playing for survival which meant I had to play as a town member.

Given i made the same post but one psot earlier, imma answer too:

You played incorrectly, as if scum gets eliminated but you live, you still lost.

You played generic third party when your role told you to play as agent of chaos, bringer of every dirty trick in the book to mess town up and draw out town PRs.

[ManateeGal]

i think you, wheme underwent a purposeful style change after getting in shit for having a bad iso. the sudden desire to do things in relation to your posting beforehand makes me really skeptical. Since then nothing has stuck out or impressed and I guess I am struggling to find something that changes that perspective. The self-meta only makes more skeptical youre actively trying to appear towny.

[Kate Bishop]

Why compare a third party game too my scum game though?

You could win with either scum team. You were sort of a super-traitor.

I know you said you didn't realize what your wincon meant, but we're looking from the outside and can't take that statement completely at face value.

Sorry for late reply but I figured I needed to reply to this

Do you think I played that game any way near you would have played that role? I was playing for survival which meant I had to play as a town member.

No, I don't think you played the role the way we would have.

self-awareness can be a curse in mafia. I think you played to your self-concept of your town game. From an outside perspective it looks like an amalgam of scum and town features from your prior games, only amped way up.