Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.05

Dorsey (3) -

Dew, Titus, Greeting

Dew (2) -

RCEnigma, UhUhWaitAndSee

Greeting (1) -

GrandpaMo

TL The Legend (1) -

Dorsey

GrandpaMo (1) -

TL The Legend

Not Voting (1) -

AlwaysNever

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-09-16 19:30:00).

[Titus]

@Titus: I don't know how to do what you're asking of me.

Hopefully some of the more exploitative players are becoming obvious

Please lay out where you feel stuck.

Who do you feel are the exploitative players?

[GrandpaMo]

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?

u dont think we are all town? also i implied the answer in post 115

i said it was a post to generate content so half serious / half rvs.

[GrandpaMo]

because i do still think here is some parts of rvs where there is some AI that many people over look so ye

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

Early bussing can be quite a WIFOM strategy, rather than a (ir)rational act. The mafia only can't allow themselves to be

eliminated

, but attention and bandwagons can go either way.

[GrandpaMo]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

Early bussing can be quite a WIFOM strategy, rather than a (ir)rational act. The mafia only can't allow themselves to be

eliminated

, but attention and bandwagons can go either way.

i kinda disagree -- well specificlaly for a newbie setup, bussing early day 1 isn't quite optimal for mafia .

idk where u getting this at with

[Dorsey]

@Titus:
Dew - One of the ones that I can't figure out if they're joking or not. Said that I was pushing them as scum (Post 98), but I didn't. Don't know if this vote on me is still RVS.
Greeting - I really don't like this slot. A lot of distracting images and pushing to end the day early. Also said I was being desperate but couldn't point to where I was being desperate. Definitely an exploitative slot. Pretty much confessed to voting me because I have the most

votes

posts in Post 120.
UhUh - I feel there's a

language

communication barrier here because I don't understand anything they post.
TL - Still don't like that he tried to tell me my vote wasn't RVS.
RCE - I like that they're talking and, judging from their posts, reading.
Titus - Nothing alignment-indicative. Feels like standard "Good SE" posting.
Grandpa - Wouldn't it be irresponsible to put all SE's as town? Don't scum need SE's as well? I still don't understand Post 38.
Always - Absent slot. Provided "gutread" but with no justification.

[Greeting]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

Early bussing can be quite a WIFOM strategy, rather than a (ir)rational act. The mafia only can't allow themselves to be

eliminated

, but attention and bandwagons can go either way.

This is a newbie game. I’m willing to assume that intentional bussing with two mafia is too risky play and out of the question.

[Titus]

VOTE: Greeting

Dorsey, wagon here?

[Dorsey]

Which parts did you agree with?

[Titus]

I don't really read Greeting as desperate. I just get a sinking, dark feeling when I read his posts.

[Dew]

Even though I find some post a bit weird, I still feel Dorsey's post are genuinely trying to understand everyone? Eh I'm gonna unvote rn, but I will keep an eye out.

UNVOTE: Dorsey

I said I would give my reads but tbh I'm pretty lost.
Currently I like the posts from Titus and RCE.

[AlwaysNever]

@AlwaysNever
1. You answering for TL The Legend isn't valid for me. Also, the names you listed - their votes look random.
2. "Keep coming at TL" is an exaggeration and inaccuracy - I don't know if I can trust your judgement.

I am not answering for TL in any way, I am just pointing out how it is pointless to debate semantics, and I'm also pointing out that you haven't unvoted TL (even until now unless I missed it) and you really didn't reply at that here, curious

And also did I insinuate that you should trust my judgment? I don't know why you have to say that but I guess that's your way to discredit my post mebbe

Also Always Never, i agree with dorsey for once, you dont need to defend me or answer for me, I'm perfectly capable of holding my own. It's not like I'm getting voted off or anything, it's just a weird vote to me

i keep almost using the l-word help i'm old

That is really not my intention if anything, I just want to point out what I feel about it

I think it's moreso about clarifying. I don't have the luxury of privileged information, which is why I ask a lot of questions about things that don't make sense (you can see that everything you quoted is a question, not an accusation). Also, my intent is to set town up for success in the instance I am eliminated by asking all the questions no one else seems interested in asking. I need the reasonings (or lack thereof) for my demise to be highlighted in stark contrast so the appropriate parties can be held accountable.

I don't like how you stress that you don't have the luxury of privileged information, if what I read is right this looks LAMIST to me

I'm doing my part.

Again this smell like LAMIST to me, I don't know why you have to post this other than just trying to make yourself look as town as possible

because i was in rvs?? you have to realize, that was my first couple of posts. i do this in every game. its nai.

some people have posted more, and you're right, it's NAI, but I'll keep my other eye on you still.

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

Now, now. I'm actually still waiting on A to Z's slot so that I can properly assess everyone, but we still have days until Day ends, so I don't mind waiting. I'll reveal my standing on y'all then

I'll be able to put some effort towards this game tomorrow or Tuesday morning the latest.

Thoughts with no further context:

Titus town
Grandpa iffy
Dorsey slightly townie
Alwaysnever slightly above dorsey
Greeting is meh
I had something about uhuh but immediately forgot what it was
Dew I've got nothing

Can you at least give some clearance over why I'm above dorsey or why Greeting is 'meh'?

I've moved you back to null actually.

I thought your push against grandpa was promising but we didn't actually see the same thing. With that in mind I have to take the interaction at face value where I wasn't initially if that makes sense.

Greeting is meh because his vote on Titus is really weak but it doesn't definitely mean scum and I've got bigger fish to fry.

I'm sorry that we can't see eye to eye yet, but thanks for the clarifications

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

or its one SE and one newb and you're just posting this to throw the scent off of you

And if you're saying there's '1 scum in between', which one is the scum? And how are you drawing this conclusion? And why would the scum not be Dew if she initiated the interaction?

i am saying there is one scum between because of how the interaction initiated. i am saying you are never alligned here. so one is either town or scum. and no dew can still be town here -- it doesn't matter who initiated the conversation. yes it was an rvs vote, but the way you questioned could be from a town pov or scum pov then how dew continued it in post 17 just further confirms that.

please read before taken words out of context. and also dorsey wtf do u not understand about this .. its just a simple basic read that i wanted to start for discussion so far you have been very keen on potraying like im scumalligned with either or, which i have not pushed either one u. im not even targetring that read at you specifically nor at them. its a general read. u might be scum being paranoid due to this and scared that i was scumreading u lol

the fact that you of all people are saying this... really considering taking you off my scumlean and putting you back to null now.

[AlwaysNever]

you know what, looking at the entirety of Dorsey's post again, I can really see that they're either pro scum trying to look town or have a defensive playstyle that just rustles my jimmies in the worst place, so cause the day is still so long I'll give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt and not vote them yet. If anything I really don't want to vote off a fellow noobie who's probably trying their best in their own way

[AlwaysNever]

Also I was reading Greeting's post, and can't help but imagine it being narrated by twirly, mustached villain who's trying to play everyone lul.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Greeting

On board with this. I can't really make heads or tails of their logic. My gut says it's just because our interests don't align.

[AlwaysNever]

in order not to spam this thread Imma just throw out my thoughts while I read everyone's ISO:

Dorsey:

you know what, looking at the entirety of Dorsey's post again, I can really see that they're either pro scum trying to look town or have a defensive playstyle that just rustles my jimmies in the worst place, so cause the day is still so long I'll give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt and not vote them yet. If anything I really don't want to vote off a fellow noobie who's probably trying their best in their own way

Greeting

Also I was reading Greeting's post, and can't help but imagine it being narrated by twirly, mustached villain who's trying to play everyone lul.

extra point: I really like post 120 tho, but even though he shares the same suspicion I had on Dorsey, the vibe I feel from his post to vote Dorsey felt off

Uhuh:
wait lul Uhuh's RVS is literally just voting dew with no reason given, then he's just straight into reading Dorsey
need more posts

Dew:
I feel like I was seeing me back when I first played forum Mafia
need more posts

Titus:
Have been giving vague response, but generally is being helpful to Dorsey
I want to see more though, it's like you're holding back your posts or something

RCE:
no weird feelings, good posts so far
still really want GrandpaMo to answer him

GrandpaMo:
Conflicted, he shares the same suspicion I had on Dorsey, but it still doesn't discount how weird his opening posts are

TL:
Fairly null, but I like how he stood up to Dorsey
need more posts

[RCEnigma]

SEs being on the top of most readslists + not being engaged as suspects from the beginning makes me think 2 newbies make up the scumteam.

Just a random thought.

thats litearlly what i said lol

i said all the se's are town here lmfao.

and it just seems im getting shit pushed rofl

That doesn't hold up, grandpa is an SE too lol.

well im being scumread for literlaly no reason -- look back on the reads, its like i have to explain in baby steps

i dont think this is the case? mind responding to 105?

u dont think we are all town? also i implied the answer in post 115

i said it was a post to generate content so half serious / half rvs.

No that was directed at the "I'm being shit pushed for no reason" bit.

In the same vein that you're crediting Dorsey with a guilty conscious you're in the same boat with your reaction. Neither dew not Dorsey threw a vote down on you.

Also like, my issue with the read that dew/Dorsey aren't aligned is that it doesn't make sense for the interaction, not at the time it was made and not now. It feels forced. Town wants to get out of RVs yeah but it's posed in a way that seems like "town would do it so if people see I'm making 'content' then I'd seem town".

Does that make sense? You yourself don't have any confidence they aren't aligned or you would have put down a vote on one of the two. If you had meant that you don't think they are partners from the interaction then it's a whole different story but that's not how you posed it or went about engaging the slots.

[Greeting]

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

[Greeting]

Anyways, my vote stays at Dorsey.

[RCEnigma]

Cool, wanna shotgun some reads for me?

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

I can smell the desperation of Dorsey to get the attention off himself. I always find this suspicious in mafia games.

What I'm about to say is obvious to (I think) everyone but I want to show my train of thought. The goal of town is to remove all of the mafia. The goal of the mafia is to remove enough townies so that their number equates to that of townies. Since the numbers of mafia are far smaller than that of town, the loss of each mafia goon is, especially at the very beginning of the game, is a bigger blow to the mafia than a loss of a townie being a blow to the town team. In case of this game, from what I've gathered, we have a 2 mafia-7 townies setup. The mafia really

cannot

allow themselves to throw any of those two under the bus, especially in the earliest stage of the game.

That being said, I shall change my vote and VOTE: Dorsey.

Early bussing can be quite a WIFOM strategy, rather than a (ir)rational act. The mafia only can't allow themselves to be

eliminated

, but attention and bandwagons can go either way.

i kinda disagree -- well specificlaly for a newbie setup, bussing early day 1 isn't quite optimal for mafia .

idk where u getting this at with

Not full-on bussing, no. But some hostility, maybe.

I don't think much can be read of this sort -- there is just too much variance in play, especially for a newbie game.

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

[RCEnigma]

What do you mean by too much variance in play?

[Micc]

Prodding TL The Legend.