Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[WhemeStar]

And your blind "I am so townie" posts, without the self reflection on the fa t that everyone is scum reading you feels wrong.

I went through a somewhat similar thing in bloodstained, where part way through day 1, a lot of people I thought were really good at reading me, all had me in their scum reads (this includes all three of cabd, ffery, and unwnd btw). And my thinking about it revolves around the fact that I must be doing something different, I must be doing less then normal, or something, because there was no way they were all scum, so AT LEAST ONE (and turned out all three) townie who I think is good at reading me, has me wrong.

But I don't see that anywhere from you. And instead, I'm seeing lots of omgus.

I know it is not fair to expect you to respond exactly the way I would. But you blind confidence in your obvtown status does not look genuine to me, give what you have done this game

But I did do that. Thats part of the reason why I wanted to talk to Kate about reads and stuff. It worked in Yggdrasil so I figured it would work here and it did.

[Cabd]

Greetings, I am here on lunch hour for a few.

Ffery, I believe you wanted to pick up where my post left off?

Shoot.

[Kate Bishop]

mostly I want to understand you Wheme read, and also your thoughts on SS. You kinda whooped from the sideline on that, but I don't get the sense that you necessarily agree.

I have some questions about your app, but they can wait for now.

[Lukewarm]

But I did do that. Thats part of the reason why I wanted to talk to Kate about reads and stuff. It worked in Yggdrasil so I figured it would work here and it did.

I am not sure what that has to do with what I said?

Who do you think we should kill?

You are voting ss, but the vote seemed like a sheep. Are you scum reading them? Why?

[Cabd]

My wheme read is "I have looked at exactly zero of your homework as a lazy sod, but something feels off the same way it did in cephgame."

As far as S_S, I was hoping to get more data there but since the tool didn't reveal anything too fancy I can say that he's still well south of null and I'd vote there. Unwnd's constant softs not softs etc are damning for me, following the logic Dunn put out. And S_S is no dannfloor as far as my opinions.

Questions about app are fine, but it's on my home PC and I'm not on home, so no asking for your horroscope.

[Cabd]

"Didn't get the sense you agree" is good, means I was maintaining a neutral face.

Oh, and unrelated but happy Katniss is here again.

Firebringer is about to bring some pain.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm town.

You need to do a better job sticking to your values, then.

How is DGB not sticking to values?

DGB’s thing about scum taking forever to make good fake claims. Were DGB town I’d have expected it to hound Toog about his partial claim until he nailed something down.

[Cabd]

Gamma, I'm town.

You need to do a better job sticking to your values, then.

How is DGB not sticking to values?

DGB’s thing about scum taking forever to make good fake claims. Were DGB town I’d have expected it to hound Toog about his partial claim until he nailed something down.

Fun fact: ~I~ quoted that famous line here!

[Cabd]

Also fwiw Menalque stepped away from the site for a while as he realized his anger and burnout wasn't mentally healthy.

Keyfabe or not, dude was just ANGRY.

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

What does RED mean?

It means the only way to absolve yourself of your bad actions (such as being a puppet for the bad guy) is to die

So when you say "this" seems to be a clear case of RED or vice versa - what do you mean by "this"?

Did you mean LLD's claimed role, or did you mean the hypothetical I posited in 619 where it is possible LLD could break the brainwash by being forced to kill herself by the scum

"puppeteering"

ability

The hypothetical in 619

[Kate Bishop]

Questions about app are fine, but it's on my home PC and I'm not on home, so no asking for your horroscope.

My questions are more about the amount of training data needed to be predictive, and also if SS had posted enough for the results to be significant.

It sounds like your unwnd read is strong enough that you didn't consider running the same process on his posts.

[Cabd]

Tool takes literally HOURS to load the data without overtaxing the hampster that runs the site and ruining everyone's night.

I only had time for one person last evening.


I'm using posts from three games of each alignment of the same player list size, and then i have a filter that allows it to ignore posts that contain quotes.

[Kate Bishop]

Tool takes literally HOURS to load the data without overtaxing the hampster that runs the site and ruining everyone's night.

I only had time for one person last evening.


I'm using posts from three games of each alignment of the same player list size, and then i have a filter that allows it to ignore posts that contain quotes.

3 games per alignment sounds good. I'm just not sure about the predictiveness of so few posts in this game.

[Cabd]

Spoiler: Tool Stuff!

There's effectively three components to the tool. The first one scrapes each post by a user in the given thread using PowerBI's "web" connector. This runs very slow because if you don't make it run very slow you overwhelm the server.

The second step is to export that data, HTML/BBCODE tags and all, to a .csv file that you keep appending to for each alignment per player.

The third step is to import that using the "CSV/TEXT" connector in PowerBI again, running the "HTML TAG STRIP" function, and then making conditional columns and counting statements to generate meta data. The visuals I post are the ones using this third steps' data.

[Gamma Emerald]

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

smh

[Gamma Emerald]

Also fwiw Menalque stepped away from the site for a while as he realized his anger and burnout wasn't mentally healthy.

Keyfabe or not, dude was just ANGRY.

Eh. Dudes never struck me as particularly strong scum. Tbh though I’m probably mostly just mad I directed my feelings towards Marci when she was just broken up by what happened there as I was.

[WhemeStar]

Are you using tool on me cabd

[Lukewarm]

Should my bias tell me that Lukewarm changing his status to afk after we got into our scuffle is bad news

Is it bad that I town binned unwnd for this post alone?

Spoiler:

exaggeration. I was already leaning town on him with our earlier interaction, but this did kinda put it over the top

Like, when I saw that, I wanted to town bin him. Because that tells me that he was genuinely suspicious of me of he was checking something like that.

Doubly so, since he did not then use that to push me.

It just seems weird for scum!unwnd to be checking that unless he planned on trying to push me out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also this app, is it open to the public or what

[Gamma Emerald]

Should my bias tell me that Lukewarm changing his status to afk after we got into our scuffle is bad news

Is it bad that I town binned unwnd for this post alone?

Spoiler:

exaggeration. I was already leaning town on him with our earlier interaction, but this did kinda put it over the top

Like, when I saw that, I wanted to town bin him. Because that tells me that he was genuinely suspicious of me of he was checking something like that.

Doubly so, since he did not then use that to push me.

It just seems weird for scum!unwnd to be checking that unless he planned on trying to push me out.

I personally like his energy surrounding what happened in Bloodstained (I also specced a bit of that)

[Cabd]

Also this app, is it open to the public or what

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... x?id=58494

[Gamma Emerald]

If she's lying about her role (which should be very easily confirmable) we yeet her.
But until then double day is incredibly useful for town so we should just abuse it.
It's really that simple.

If I have my druthers, you and Dunn will be instrumental in guiding what manatee does with her abilities today.

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

Manatee should check in and go over what they want to do with their role now

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

yeah agree

[Gamma Emerald]

I know ffery said it yesterday but DGB's my favorite this game. I am cackling at her posts.

And with that, the assorted footnotes on our DGB read get the strikethrough treatment.

In large normal 235 I felt like I could townread DGB warts and all despite having some questions about individual posts
I don’t feel like I can do that here, which sure I also misread it in Radio Buzz but it had bad interactions with my PoE, and it’s maybe feeling like the same things is happening here a slight bit but with other things I find more objectionable than that

[Gamma Emerald]

{Cabd, Rhiannon}
{Something_Smart}
{Kate Bishop} {Dunnstral, GuyInFreezer}
{ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeGal}
{Lukewarm}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus*, DrippingGoofball}

This is probably where my heads at rn. The top townreads are basically locked for the duration of the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus has an asterisk because I only have an opinion on Toog rn, not her