Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[Roden]

If anyone says Tracker should claim and then specifically mentions a Doc, it implies a Follow The Cop strat.

[Roden]

I've been saying this for awhile now? Why are you surprised now?

[T3]

If I softed doc I genuinely don't remember
What how is that a doc soft

[Roden]

BTW if there is a tracker you should claim now.

Why?

If there's no Tracker then we play normally. If there is a Tracker then if there's a Jailkweper they should Jail the Tracker. If there's a FN they should target the Tracker. If there's a Doctor they should protect the Tracker.
Once day 2 hapens we massclaim.
If Doctor/FN is run up to E-1 then just claim 'PR'.

Mafias don't know if there's a FN or a Doctor.

How is this not a Doc soft? Why would I not think you were Doc here?

[Roden]

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Yep Roden is locktown.
SOUL MASONS

Okey dokey, here is where I am at.

I am getting strong town sense from Margot, contrary to what some others have said. It seems like she is really trying to sort -- some internal back and forth is good. I really liked 53 although I didn't check the math. It reads to me like a newbie who is really determined to put in the work.

Hockey is a town lean for me, though I disagree with the argument in 94 that withholding information is

always

anti-town. If someone is trying to bait a trap or is an investigation role who doesn't want to share results until they have a guilty, etc, there are some cases where that's good to hold back. If T3 was trying to do a spicy town play, which is totally T3, then not spelling out the details is beneficial. But the way that he's making his argument reads town, even if I disagree with it. Although I just realized it could be scum trying to get info on what the play is. Still not enough to change my read though.

T3 is probably town for the exact reason that Hockey outlined -- it's a huge gambit for scum to do right out the gate, so it seems unlikely.

Roden is null. 77 struck me as weird as well, but I don't see why scum would town lock T3 after that risky play. Then again, he then went on to walk back that town lock in 91.

Clasko and Egix are null.

The Astra slot is a sliiiiight scum lean because even with so few posts and the swift replace out, it seemed like she might have been jumping on the LQ wagon, and her RVS vote was also a wagon.

LQ -- I get a bad sense from 125. It reads a bit like complaining about getting scumread with a liiitle smidgeon of omgus, especially considering they imply that T3's gambit isn't scummy in 57 before bringing in a little more setup speculation.

The main thing that gives me pause is the very fact that LQ is a wagon already. It could be a quick and easy miselim. I also have no interest in pushing anyone to E-1 right now, so I'll leave my vote on the Astra slot for now to put a little extra fire on whoever joins in.

Roden knows exactly what is going on and he is locktown for that.

Did you think I knew you were using a strat from a completely different ongoing game?

[T3]

okey
yes

[Roden]

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Also wanna ask SM who their two strongest elimination candidates are rn for D1, and why?
I say two, because one is most likely me which you've hinted the potential reasons for in #279 and iterating that doesn't say much.

I say Roden or you right now is my top two candidates for scum has to be you and the former is honestly better to flip than your slot. Roden elim. To me, getting some information involving the meta (of T3 and Roden) is probably more useful than eliminating you because of what some people here consider a slip.

VOTE: Roden

Even if this flips green it means we still have some sort of information, so either way I think this vote is fine.

Imagine threatening to vote a townie out because they refuse to out town power roles. This is such an overtly scummy thought process you might as well be scum claiming.

VOTE: Strange

This is the earliest I directly mention power roles wrt T3. I don't know how I can make it clearer I thought you were Doc.

[Roden]

okey
yes

How would I know about this strat though? I don't typically read ongoing games that I'm not a part of.

[T3]

I thought you were like "hmmmmmm yes where did t3 get this strat and he won't say why
*looks at ongoing game'*
ok must be town"
VOTE: margot

[MargotRosa]

BTW if there is a tracker you should claim now.

Why?

If there's no Tracker then we play normally. If there is a Tracker then if there's a Jailkweper they should Jail the Tracker. If there's a FN they should target the Tracker. If there's a Doctor they should protect the Tracker.
Once day 2 hapens we massclaim.
If Doctor/FN is run up to E-1 then just claim 'PR'.

Mafias don't know if there's a FN or a Doctor.

How is this not a Doc soft? Why would I not think you were Doc here?

Figuring that either you or T3 must have been doc after you spelled it out was why I completely let it go part way through d1, and why I was completely thrown by the whole Alstro stuff on d2. I figured that I must have been completely wrong on my read of what the two of your plan was.

My point on d1 stands: I remain completely unconvinced as to why anyone would want tracker to claim d1 unless they were scum. I showed mathematically why it was a terrible idea. I let it go because I figured that I was new to forum games, that it was known that we had a doctor, and that the risk was more calculated than it was.

If tracker finds scum n1, tracker reveals d2 and it's the same result either way. If tracker doesn't, we get what happened here: tracker finds some people that can be labeled conf town that get nuked by scum as they are revealed, and then the tracker dies, and we're in a much worse situation than if tracker had not claimed and the conf town reads could be shared when there were too many for scum to kill before elo.

You're clearly scum T3, but genuinely interested in whether or not you can give a valid explanation for why it's not a terrible idea from Town perspective
VOTE: T3

[MargotRosa]

I read back through the explanation in that game, and it so transparently doesn't work lol.

Also very funny to me that part of the reason I dropped it was LQ pointing out it was site meta, despite it having been made up by a scum in one game, that one game being the previous newbie game lol

[T3]

50/50 tracker dies there
anyways i would once again like to point out that i hammered lq

[MargotRosa]

50/50 tracker dies there
anyways i would once again like to point out that i hammered lq

Yeah, by all appearances completely accidentally, and while telling everyone in your post that LQ was Town lol

[GrandpaMo]

woops forgot this game existed. also lol im not dead..

ythan didnt retract well

[GrandpaMo]

also roden i still maybe do wanna sleep here?

like it does have a poiint of going on.

mafia doesnt have to kill me.

mafia can keep me alive because they would know i would vote against that person. its just more likely a wifom kill at that point. if they dont kill me and kill someone like t3 >> which is a smart play, then roden, if mafia, would have to force a to go against someone weaker etc etc

[GrandpaMo]

but eh maf probably deos kill me

[GrandpaMo]

yall both look bad and good at the same time lol

[GrandpaMo]

there is a possibility where margot is a new player who forgot they had tmi to scum info and didnt know about doc so targeted tracker.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 4.1

MargotRosa

(1): T3

T3

(1): MargotRosa

Not Voting

(2): GrandpaMo, Roden

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-16 19:37:19)

[MargotRosa]

there is a possibility where margot is a new player who forgot they had tmi to scum info and didnt know about doc so targeted tracker.

My whole point in 53 is about how good the chances are for scum targetting literally anyone but tracker if tracker was revealed. If I was scum, I literally laid out what my play would have been, and the maths of why, and it wasn't the play that happened. Ergo, I'm Town

[Roden]

I'm leaning towards Margot at this point since T3's ISO does add up with his explained thought process. He's also been gradually mistrusting of me which feels natural.

I wanted to vote Margot yesterday because of N1 scum actions not adding up for anyone but her and I'm still pretty sure I'm right about that. The only thing that gives me pause is that T3 could've chosen to no-kill N1, but I'm fairly certain he never directly targets the Tracker N1 because his plan relied on the chance of there being a Doc regardless of his alignment.

[MargotRosa]

I'm so over this game lol. Just end it. I hope whoever is scum enjoys the win they pulled out of their arse

[MargotRosa]

Honestly wondering if Roden is scum at this point lol. Spent too much time in the ISOs and going full galaxy brain

[MargotRosa]

T3 spends half of d1 trying to defend LQ and push that he was Town when he so clearly wasn't. See: 217 297 554 and most infamously when accidentally hammering LQ 596

He also pushed the weird point about Clasko 'perspective slipping' in 220 which I just don't buy as an actual argument worth hanging a Town perspective vote on.

Also, worth pointing out that Strange's point in 282 feels like more of an important read than people gave it credit for. It feels like either way (though it's more than likely T3 in this instance), there is an innate understanding in both T3 and Roden that if you TR the other early, and stick to it, you've got an ally one way or the other throughout the entire game, irrespective of whether you're on the same team or not. I think it makes a lot of sense to me that T3 would go hard on TRing Roden early as Scum, especially after Roden TRd T3 for what we now know is a misread of T3's whole strategy.

I'm down in Georgia playing the fiddle against the devil, but he's using you as his instrument Roden.

[T3]

margot has such extreme conviction bc sheknows if she lims me she wins