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[DrippingGoofball]

I spent months in Bad Player Jail and I'm still only out on parole.

[Dwlee99]

1786: most opportunistic vote there imo is the grandpa hammer. First day was deadline and second day I don't find that vote opportunistic. In your list I'd feel better voting dgb/enchant than Kazyan/Nathan.

[Kazyan]

I don't know if I'm okay with how disinterested Enchant is in scumhunting today.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.2

Not Voting(4)Nathann;Enchant;DrippingGoofball;Kazyan;

Kazyan (2)Ythan;geraintm;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(1)Dwlee99;

Nathann (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

Enchant

MargotRosa

(0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 7 alive it is 4 to execute.

Day 4 begins and ends in (expired on 2021-09-16 17:03:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know if I'm okay with how disinterested Enchant is in scumhunting today.

It concerns me as well.

[Enchant]

I don't know if I'm okay with how disinterested Enchant is in scumhunting today.

Bruh.

I am disinterested for whole game, why you made this your concern just now?

[Kazyan]

Bruh.

I am disinterested for whole game, why you made this your concern just now?

??? You and Nathan both are using the "why didn't you think of this earlier" argument, and I don't know what to say to that. But, like, it's

really

obvious today that you just don't care.

[Kazyan]

You get how bad the position we're in is, right? gera (town) wants me (town) dead, and you (town??) just don't care about anything that's going on and your sentiment has been "roll the dice" instead of trying to solve the game.

What's going to happen is that we eliminate someone--probably another townie because I'm the town leader right now and am recycled garbage at scumhunting--and then the scumteam will convince you and/or Nathan to vote me out tomorrow and lose. Assuming you're not one of them, anyway.

[Kazyan]

I'm not cool with being hit up with this "why didn't you think of this earlier? Suspicious!" from two different people--active discouragement from scumhunting--and gera straight-up refusing to give a second scumread or look for a partner. You guys cannot lean on me to tell you who is scum. I never get it right unless I sheep, and people get furious when I do that. So I'm going to abdicate my position as town leader and make you guys care. VOTE: Kazyan

[Nathann]

This is a semi-prodge, but seeing Ythan still isn't here...

VOTE: Ythan

I'll put actual energy into reading what I've missed later tonight. Thoughts from skimming are that geraintm is Town, that Enchant is worrying me, and that my instincts say Kazyan is Townie, but that I should check their Scumgame to see if they're prone to faking emotion.

I'd appreciate if you stopped self-voting. I am not in the mood for another oopsie hammer.

[Enchant]

You get how bad the position we're in is, right? gera (town) wants me (town) dead, and you (town??) just don't care about anything that's going on and your sentiment has been "roll the dice" instead of trying to solve the game.

What's going to happen is that we eliminate someone--probably another townie because I'm the town leader right now and am recycled garbage at scumhunting--and then the scumteam will convince you and/or Nathan to vote me out tomorrow and lose. Assuming you're not one of them, anyway.

1. Don't assume anyone as town, before he die. That's basically how most games lost.
2. Position is bad, but nothing we can't salvage, atleast we supposed to get intel for passed days. Well... Supposed is main thing. Believe me or not, but i planned to vote Andre on this day, with "A-ha, you pocketed me". Nightkill saved him.
3. I don't care yes. Sad to be my teammate, is it? Hold on, not really. Otherwise, i would simple vote Ythan as first wagon and dissapear before prod. Maybe it's look i don't care, it's not.

[Enchant]

I'm not cool with being hit up with this "why didn't you think of this earlier? Suspicious!" from two different people--active discouragement from scumhunting--and gera straight-up refusing to give a second scumread or look for a partner. You guys cannot lean on me to tell you who is scum. I never get it right unless I sheep, and people get furious when I do that. So I'm going to abdicate my position as town leader and make you guys care. VOTE: Kazyan

I remember i suggested to kill me d1. Not in this game, but really.

It wented horrible. Just in case, by dying you throw game in Elo at best, and instant lose at worst.

[Enchant]

What i think: If we are not dead, we are needed for mafia for something. Mafia rarely do alcoholic nightkills or wine or something like that, so basically all nks had some ideas how to win.

I can't really see it though. Ythan looks like best pet for me right now.

[Dwlee99]

Ythan gone not explaining Kazyan vote and now Kazyan is self-voting omegalol

[Nathann]

Okay, I lied, my energy is completely sapped, I'll do my best to be here tomorrow morning. Agreed with Dwlee on the above. In the meantime:

The biggest info flip right now would be GMo, so that we can properly read all of those reactions to him. Or maybe gera, with the info being "wtf is gera doing", but we don't need to know that to win the game yet.

I hate the justification "info flip". I know if comes from Town sometimes, like from GrandpaMo Yesterday, but still. What did you learn when GrandpaMo flipped green?

Probably my biggest problem with Kazyan in geraintm's analysis is the vote switchiness between GrandpaMo and Ythan. Though they were upfront about their PoE, I guess... I'll think about it when I manage the brainpower.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.2

Kazyan (3)Ythan;geraintm;Kazyan;

Not Voting(2)Enchant;DrippingGoofball;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(2)Dwlee99;Nathann;

Nathann (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

Enchant

MargotRosa

(0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 7 alive it is 4 to execute.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-09-16 17:03:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

[geraintm]

Kazyan not getting puahed over the edge now when they could so easily be is telling to me

[DrippingGoofball]

My scumdar is really bad lately.

[Kazyan]

Okay, I've calmed down now. That's everyone who has checked in after my self-vote, besides Ythan, who is already on-wagon? Cool.

Kazyan not getting puahed over the edge now when they could so easily be is telling to me

See, this is good! This is cool! I want input like this, and I agree with it.

With how generally-scumread Ythan is (gera excluded), shouldn't the lack of a hammer pretty much confirm that there's scum in {Ythan, Kazyan}? If we're both town, that means there's at least one scum off-wagon, and they could just hammer, kill gera on Night 4, and then push the Day 5 wagon over Ythan by appealing to how many eliminations he's participated in.

Since I know I'm town, this confirms Ythan as scum to me. I don't want him to self-hammer just yet, so instead of voting him immediately, UNVOTE: .

[Ythan]

The idea that you can apply not-hammering-in-lylo logic before lylo is garbage.

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure in any world where someone comes along and just hammers there they get yeeted tomorrow.

[Kazyan]

The biggest info flip right now would be GMo, so that we can properly read all of those reactions to him. Or maybe gera, with the info being "wtf is gera doing", but we don't need to know that to win the game yet.

I hate the justification "info flip". I know if comes from Town sometimes, like from GrandpaMo Yesterday, but still. What did you learn when GrandpaMo flipped green?

Probably my biggest problem with Kazyan in geraintm's analysis is the vote switchiness between GrandpaMo and Ythan. Though they were upfront about their PoE, I guess... I'll think about it when I manage the brainpower.

I learned that I read the whole situation with Dwlee wrong, and so Dwlee wasn't locktown anymore, but I was banking on how if he flipped red, I'd already ruled out a bunch of partner interactions including DGB. So if GMo flipped red, gg, yeet Ythan and Andre thereafter and win.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.3

Not Voting(3)Enchant;DrippingGoofball;Kazyan;

Kazyan (2)Ythan;geraintm;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(2)Dwlee99;Nathann;

Nathann (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

Enchant

MargotRosa

(0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 7 alive it is 4 to execute.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-09-16 17:03:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

[Nathann]

Nope, still feeling like crap. I'll use the "I'm voting Ythan and he hasn't responded about his Kazyan vote yet" excuse.

Dislike the "no hammer confirms Scum between us" since not every Scum (I'd even say the majority) would have the guts to quickhammer there, knowing they'd be under pressure because of that Tomorrow. I want to say that the conviction is Townie, though?

Kazyan, is this something you'd do as Scum? Pull a self vote then argue conclusions because of not being hammered?

[Ythan]

I've been discussing Kazyan all game. If you have a question ask it.

Quit squawking.