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[Ythan]

And before you say it "why do you think he's scum" is a stupid meaningless followup question.

[Nathann]

I asked. And if you have that much conviction that they're Scum, surely you can put together a short case and not make me have to go through your ISO to hunt for it?

[Kazyan]

Nope, still feeling like crap. I'll use the "I'm voting Ythan and he hasn't responded about his Kazyan vote yet" excuse.

Dislike the "no hammer confirms Scum between us" since not every Scum (I'd even say the majority) would have the guts to quickhammer there, knowing they'd be under pressure because of that Tomorrow. I want to say that the conviction is Townie, though?

Kazyan, is this something you'd do as Scum? Pull a self vote then argue conclusions because of not being hammered?

I've never been in a position to do that as scum, so I can't say for sure, but I was a nervous wreck about getting a single vote in my one scumgame. I don't think I'd have the guts to put myself at E-1 in a room full of people scumreading me and then flounce off into the sunset.

[Kazyan]

I laugh outright at the notion that explaining reasons for a scumread is pointless in a game of Mafia, from a person with a 2009 join date. Enchant, are you seeing this?

[Nathann]

Like, I currently have literally zero idea why you're voting Kazyan. And maybe that's on me. Maybe. But you could help me out and try to actually convince me on why they're Scum?

[Ythan]

Like, I currently have literally zero idea why you're voting Kazyan. And maybe that's on me. Maybe. But you could help me out and try to actually convince me on why they're Scum?

Bah not making my posts twice literally use the damn iso function.

[Ythan]

Nah*

[Ythan]

I laugh outright at the notion that explaining reasons for a scumread is pointless in a game of Mafia, from a person with a 2009 join date. Enchant, are you seeing this?

Insipid garbage shade from scum.

[Dwlee99]

I can't click ISO tho

[Kazyan]

Damn right it's shading. Your scumgame sucks.

[Kazyan]

(Actually you survived this long so it doesn't suck, but still)

[Dwlee99]

The bottom of my pyramid is {GMo, Ythan} currently. I am going to stop being so paranoid and perhaps trust that Nathann is Town, and I don’t want to execute DGB.

Unless it's a WIFOM kill it do be like this

[DrippingGoofball]

Unless it's a WIFOM kill it do be like this

nah, not WIFOM.

[Ythan]

I apologize for my curtness today, I have been in a extremely sour mood. I'll try to get back into this tomorrow.

[Kazyan]

No worries. We have time.

[Ythan]

a

internal seething

[Enchant]

I laugh outright at the notion that explaining reasons for a scumread is pointless in a game of Mafia, from a person with a 2009 join date. Enchant, are you seeing this?

Yep. Not so funny for me though.

[geraintm]

people asking for explanations of votes.
i have given the mot detailed explanation of any of mine the entire game...and it has been pretty much allowed to disappear. i think someone went "i don't like the bit on one of the days" but no one has really challenged it.

since i posted, their response is "A townie is voting me, atownie and things are bad"
"enchant sucks at this game because they aren't interested"
self vote
"geraint makes a good point but i am going to make a terrible point about end of game play when we aren't in end of game state
"all my reads were wrong so now all my plans are wrong"

They are at no point progressing the game or explaining how they managed to be so wrong the entire game.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.3

Not Voting(3)Enchant;DrippingGoofball;Kazyan;

Kazyan (2)Ythan;geraintm;

Ythan

JacksonVirgo

(2)Dwlee99;Nathann;

Nathann (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

Enchant

MargotRosa

(0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

With 7 alive it is 4 to execute.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-09-16 17:03:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

Still valid.

[Kazyan]

I'm not good enough at the game to explain why I'm bad at the game, I just know that I am and that nothing is working. I try to scumhunt with a variety of analysis tools to understand situations that I can't otherwise make heads or tails out of, even though the amount of information is more-than-sufficient for experienced players, and then get it wrong every time. I also can't appeal to meta, here, because I've done a lot of dumb things in this game that I also did during my one scumgame. I could lay out a slam-dunk scumcase on myself right now, and you'd all be 100% confident that I'm part of the scumteam, and then I'll flip green. And I don't have the mental framework to even guess what the meaningful differences between the red game and the green game are, as if there's a part of my theory of mind that simply doesn't work.

I have a pretty decent towncase on every single player besides Ythan right now, but you can't all be town. Enchant's votes and pushes are non-opportunistic. DGB is playing very different from its scumgame. Dwlee is actually analyzing the game, and Nathan even moreso. Given the above and looking for the weakest/easiest-to-face rationales, If I were in charge of eliminations, I'd go Ythan -> Dwlee -> (Enchant or Nathan, depending on nightkill analysis). I know that Dwlee's scumgame can fake analysis, from the Dogs Vs. Cats game, and Enchant's sitting-around commentariatism is easier than Nathan's engagement or DGB's divergence from its scum play. That said, I'm a little worried about how Nathan has been hemming and hawwing back and forth between me and Ythan.

[Dwlee99]

If we can get a scum flip this game will be much easier

[geraintm]

You didn't even mention me

[Kazyan]

You didn't even mention me

My townread on you is based on

je ne ses qua

and the lack of trying to blend in, admittedly. Does my plan make sense to you otherwise?

Dwlee, do you have a scumread besides Ythan?
Ythan, do you have a scumread besides Kazyan?
Nathan, is the scumteam Kazyan/Ythan, or is there anyone else on your list?
DGB, have you found any more townies?

[Dwlee99]

Enchant. It also depends on flips. If ythan flips town you're back on my ehhh list.

[Nathann]

AliceK (7)Titus; GrandpaMo; Kazyan; Dwlee99; Nathann; Enchant; Jolyne;

Kazyan (4)ssbm_Kyouko; Andresvmb; Ythan; DrippingGoofball;

DrippingGoofball (1)geraintm;

Dwlee99 (1)AliceK;

@Kazyan, I don't think Kazyan/Ythan is the team. I am guessing there's one between the two, based on the analysis that Andres put out at some point. I don't think that's the team, though I'll probably have a more concrete opinion here after i go through Ythan's ISO regarding you.

Based on the EoD1 vote count, if Ythan is Scum, the partner is within {Dwlee, Enchant, maaaybe DGB} - since I think it's very likely there was at least one Scum on the main wagon, with a slight chance of it being DGB since it did jump on the wagon late.

If Kazyan is Scum, I'd look at {Dwlee, Enchant, again maaaybe DGB}, if Scum!DGB was feeling ballsy to jump on their partner late, though I think this scenario is decently unlikely.

Considering I have a Townreads on Dwlee, I'm wondering if the better idea would be to simply yeet Enchant, since they fit as partner to both Kazyan/Ythan, but that's assuming that my read of there being one between those two is right, and that my Townread of Dwlee is right, and I feel like it's past the point in the game where I can be making calls on that many assumptions... And I would need to look at Enchant's other votes to see if they make some of the teams unlikely.