Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[Micc]

GrandpaMo is V/LA until 9/17.
Titus is V/LA from 9/17 to 9/20.

Votecount 1.12

HockeyFan (4) -

Titus, Dew, Greeting, GrandpaMo

Greeting (2) -

RCEnigma, HockeyFan

Dew (1) -

UhUhWaitAndSee

Not Voting (2) -

AlwaysNever, Dorsey

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 2 days.

[HockeyFan]

Can other people please talk? Its the only way to get info. I promise i wont bite :^)

[Dorsey]

I was looking through the wiki for it and didn't see any rules on it - if I were scum, could I go V/LA routinely to avoid suspicion? Is that fair game?

[Dorsey]

Your wagon is V/LA, replacement, and survivalism.

[RCEnigma]

Gonna be easier to work backwards so gimme a sec.

[RCEnigma]

I was looking through the wiki for it and didn't see any rules on it - if I were scum, could I go V/LA routinely to avoid suspicion? Is that fair game?

I guess, but would be in bad taste. Idk grandpa's situation but Titus takes a fair amount of V/LA time by the nature of her work but I think this V/LA is due to a scheduled mafiascummer meetup? I'm not entirely positive on that.

[RCEnigma]

- I wanted reads on the four players aforementioned because I felt they were floating by with no scrutiny. Other than RCE's reasoning, I don't see why this would happen. (But, even then, "they're scared of me" doesn't seem like that good of a reason if you're in a game full of newbies who don't know who you are.)

This wasn't about being scared of me personally but moreso the SE title. Newb scum are more likely to try and game other newb scum and avoid drawing the attention of the veteran players, naturally. Scumreading them knowing their alignment is an easy way to garner that attention.

[RCEnigma]

About RCE, im also really conflicted here lol

Like 107 seems town but 108 doesnt make sense imo. Exactly what "bigger fish" did you have to fry cuz atp u had no other solid sr's. 232 is also weird cuz why are u accusing someone of chainsawing, when u SR one of titus's lim pool. I may be missing some posts but u certainly didnt express 259 prior, what has made u sr almost half the lobby and who are your trs. What made u switch in 295 from Greeting/TL to Dew/TL?.

In 108 I was still pursuing the discrepancy with what Grandpa was pushing. Which was that there is 1 scum within dew/Dorsey but they weren't willing to throw a vote down in what would be a 50/50 shot to hit scum in their pool. It didn't line up with the confidence they had in that read at the time.

I'll reread 232 to give a more concise answer but I think it was about Titus setting elims up? I was exploring the possible world of Titus!scum and both Greeting/TL being town. Because instead of setting it up as "elim x and then reevaluate on d2" it was more along the lines of "If x elim is town then y is surely scum"

Half the lobby got scummy. Uhuh had dubious posting dew has been a nonfactor, Titus I have paranoia about, grandpa hasn't really left my scumpool. I haven't openly expressed updated reads but Dorsey and always never are fairly towny. They are the only slots I won't consider an elim on today at any rate.

Greeting + TL was never a pairing that I was pushing but was a theory I was willing to put some thought into after the fact because I thought their interactions at the time weren't great so I dove a little deeper to figure out why they actually pinged me weirdly then I presented it. Why did I put forward that dew/TL could be a pairing? Well I don't actually remember. Tried to go through their iso just now to jog my memory but no shot. Maybe it was just the thought that a partner going down would kill their drive to play?

[RCEnigma]

I am {assuming} this is a meme but what prompted u to say. IIrc u said somewhere that u have past experience with Titus, so is this general entrance town for titus?

No, I was being facetious.

[Dorsey]

But UhUhWaitAndSee isn't an SE

[Dorsey]

I was also looking back through some newbie games and it looks like at least one SE is always scum

[GrandpaMo]

HockeyFan replaces TL The Legend.
Dew has requested replacement.
GrandpaMo is V/LA until 9/17.
Titus is V/LA from 9/17 to 9/20.

The deadline for Day 1 remains paused at 2 days until all replacements have been made.

Votecount 1.11

HockeyFan (4) -

Titus, Dew, Greeting, GrandpaMo

Greeting (2) -

RCEnigma, HockeyFan

Dew (1) -

UhUhWaitAndSee

Not Voting (1) -

AlwaysNever, Dorsey

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 2 days.

oh fuck .

[GrandpaMo]

hey hockeylockey :'(

[GrandpaMo]

Can other people please talk? Its the only way to get info. I promise i wont bite :^)

i think if you are town you should be pushing greeting here. have u ever come up in ur thought that u and greeting are never t/t?

[RCEnigma]

I never said uhuh was an SE.

Roles are chosen at random. An SE being scum in the handful of games you looked at vs the thousands of newbie games played on site doesn't make it any more likely that an SE is scum here in this game.

[GrandpaMo]

I was also looking back through some newbie games and it looks like at least one SE is always scum

lol thats not true

[GrandpaMo]

each person has a probability of 11.1% chance of being chosen as scum. one se at least on the team have a 33.3% chance of being there -- i think i did the math right.

[Dorsey]

'Newbies afraid of the SE title' doesn't explain why UhUhWaitAndSee wasn't scrutinized. Where was the game where all the SE's were town?

[Dorsey]

That's crazy timing, though. I say all of the SE's can't be town and GrandpaMo pops back up.

[HockeyFan]

Ok so I didnt get to fully read 343 yday night since i was so tired lol, but from a quick skim, its a decentish post?

- I thought Post 89 was misconstruing my sentiments by jumping into the conversation midway through and attacking a statement out of context. Since Titus is an SE and wall-posted intelligibly for her first post, I thought this was done with awareness and purpose.
- I wanted reads on the four players aforementioned because I felt they were floating by with no scrutiny. Other than RCE's reasoning, I don't see why this would happen. (But, even then, "they're scared of me" doesn't seem like that good of a reason if you're in a game full of newbies who don't know who you are.)
- Edgier = meaner, but I didn't want to sound like a child. He said that I was cutthroat, though, so I guess that was his response to thinking I was an asshole. (Or am, I don't know if he still feels that way)
- I don't want RCE pairing me as scum because I'm not scum, but his reasoning made sense when I read it. I like RCE's posting style for the most part because he talks, but I have no reason to think he's town.

i didn't read the two previous posts yet

About RCE: You said the logic he put forth is good but u still dont think hes town? Is it more of a paranoia null read here?

Can other people please talk? Its the only way to get info. I promise i wont bite :^)

i think if you are town you should be pushing greeting here. have u ever come up in ur thought that u and greeting are never t/t?

lol, hi gpa. Anyways, I am not subscribing to your theory of me/greeing being t/s, I looked through Greeting posts AGAIN, and thier reads have not changed. Im aware TL voted greeting but why cant town vote town

[HockeyFan]

About RCE, im also really conflicted here lol

Like 107 seems town but 108 doesnt make sense imo. Exactly what "bigger fish" did you have to fry cuz atp u had no other solid sr's. 232 is also weird cuz why are u accusing someone of chainsawing, when u SR one of titus's lim pool. I may be missing some posts but u certainly didnt express 259 prior, what has made u sr almost half the lobby and who are your trs. What made u switch in 295 from Greeting/TL to Dew/TL?.

In 108 I was still pursuing the discrepancy with what Grandpa was pushing. Which was that there is 1 scum within dew/Dorsey but they weren't willing to throw a vote down in what would be a 50/50 shot to hit scum in their pool. It didn't line up with the confidence they had in that read at the time.

I'll reread 232 to give a more concise answer but I think it was about Titus setting elims up? I was exploring the possible world of Titus!scum and both Greeting/TL being town. Because instead of setting it up as "elim x and then reevaluate on d2" it was more along the lines of "If x elim is town then y is surely scum"

Half the lobby got scummy. Uhuh had dubious posting dew has been a nonfactor, Titus I have paranoia about, grandpa hasn't really left my scumpool. I haven't openly expressed updated reads but Dorsey and always never are fairly towny. They are the only slots I won't consider an elim on today at any rate.

Greeting + TL was never a pairing that I was pushing but was a theory I was willing to put some thought into after the fact because I thought their interactions at the time weren't great so I dove a little deeper to figure out why they actually pinged me weirdly then I presented it. Why did I put forward that dew/TL could be a pairing? Well I don't actually remember. Tried to go through their iso just now to jog my memory but no shot. Maybe it was just the thought that a partner going down would kill their drive to play?

Hm, if this wasnt a SE, i would townlock this so fucking hard

[HockeyFan]

'Newbies afraid of the SE title' doesn't explain why UhUhWaitAndSee wasn't scrutinized. Where was the game where all the SE's were town?

Newbie 2070 is the only game I see rn, theres probs more, but too lazy lol

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

@UhUh - All those votes were the same person/slot.

@RCE - Honestly I'm hoping that he's scum so I look like shit for tomorrow to keep me from dying tonight. I don't see what he's done worse than the rest of this newbie playlist and I feel like he's low hanging fruit because he doesn't post. I have zero confidence in anyone on his wagon.

This just isn't true. There are at least three distinct slots you've voted for - TL, Greeting and me.

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

I also note that switching between the same people with votes is still jumping around with votes.

[UhUhWaitAndSee]

I was also looking back through some newbie games and it looks like at least one SE is always scum

Clearly SEs and Newbies have the same chance (2/9) of being scum individually, at least if you believe the roles are assigned randomly (which they are). So SE or Newbie status doesn't say anything statistically.

The difference between SEs and Newbies may be how convincing they are as scum, but that's not what you commented on.