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[MargotRosa]

Honestly, putting this reads list together was a lot more difficult than in previous games. Usually, there is a clear narrative to follow (as in Newbie 2076, where things rolled out naturally from T3's opening gambit). There isn't really one here; everything is so zig zaggy and without clear purpose.

Being open, I am not good with meta, and reading people, which is why I'm so uncertain right now. I am a political economist, and a statistician, and I work best when I have data. That's been as true on this site as it has been in my real life.

As we get closer to the deadline, if there isn't much more coherence to everything, I'm going to reveal my role purely to get some data, and get some coherency to the narrative so that we're all on track again.

For now:
VOTE: Mewtaph

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: innocent villager

[MargotRosa]

Roden, can you confirm the n0 inno on Dwlee? I am taking it as written, but don't understand the mechanics of how that would work, so just wanted to double check

[datsi]

Margot/Mewtaph/Kyouko? is where I think scum is

[Dwlee99]

IV no post

[Mewtaph]

Margot/Mewtaph/Kyouko? is where I think scum is

Vote me then.

[datsi]

[Mewtaph]

[Datisi]

like, if you're a miller, ok
if you're mason miller, why out that you're also a mason
if you're outing that you're a mason, why out a partner as well

if you're mafia seriously fakeclaiming for no reason, why the hell would you do any of that

and going "yeah that seemed like a serious scum fakeclaim to me" feels like it's coming from scum who's grasping at reasons to wagon someone rather than town actually thinking things through

You argue that T3 making that claim would never actually be done by scum, but it's just as easily argued that scum would never actually believe a town player would make that claim, which is what you're accusing me of now.

You say I'm scum that is grasping for reasons to push T3. If you think it's ridiculous or unbelievable that I actually think T3 is lying here, but you dont realize that what you are postulating looks just as ridiculous, you're the one not thinking clearly.

Going to have to disagree with you on T3.

no, i'm arguing that claim would never be *seriously* made by scum. and again, no, i'm not arguing you're scum who believed town!t3, i'm arguing you're scum who saw town!t3 was doing some bullshit nonsense, decided to play dumb, pretend you believe it, and then pretend to debunk it after "taking it seriously". see the difference?

[Roden]

Roden, can you confirm the n0 inno on Dwlee? I am taking it as written, but don't understand the mechanics of how that would work, so just wanted to double check

Oh uh, I don't have any inno's, sorry that was a joke since they voted me. If I ever have a real inno or guilty claim I'll always reiterate that it's actually serious.

[Datisi]

Someone isn't scum because they don't detect a joke

(1) nsg would disagree with you

(2) i was never saying that, my whole argument is that she very well knew it was a joke and is pretending otherwise in order to shitpush t3

i am wondering if i'm wrong because the push on ic seemed genuine enough, i imagine scum talked about him by now, and dunno if scum thinks to fake suspecting the ic

[Roden]

I do think your reads list comes from a town mind set though Margot.

[Datisi]

it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.

though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guess

town

why?

[Datisi]

IV no post

this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as town

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Roden]

it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.

though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guess

town

why?

I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.

[Datisi]

theoretical disagree on "town doesn't care about looking good", but that's besides the point now - do you think kyouko was aware that her push on t3 was shaky and so scum!her wouldn't have made it in the first place? because it seemed to me like she was convinced her push was great and made sense so dunno if i agree there

[Roden]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

[MargotRosa]

I do think your reads list comes from a town mind set though Margot.

Oh shit. In that case, invert my read on Dwlee. Sorry, I TR'd them solely because I thought you had conf towned them

[MargotRosa]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

On this, I just don't think their energy is allegiance indicative. I think they are pretty low energy generally. They were a Town PR in another game I played with them recently and their energy was at about the same level, before and after they had outed themself

[Roden]

theoretical disagree on "town doesn't care about looking good", but that's besides the point now - do you think kyouko was aware that her push on t3 was shaky and so scum!her wouldn't have made it in the first place? because it seemed to me like she was convinced her push was great and made sense so dunno if i agree there

I think Kyo just makes a lot of pushes in general, regardless of the substance of it. I do think she was defensive of her push on T3 though, which in hindsight makes me more hesitant to town read her. I've seen town!Kyo defend her pushes against town!me before so maybe it's NAI, but I haven't seen her scum games yet so idk for sure on that.

[Datisi]

He's even said similarly in past games.

haven't heard this one before, mind linking the source?

i'm open to the idea of t3 being scum, hell i sure don't townread him, but the resons that kyouko had for pushing him were bad >_>

[Roden]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

On this, I just don't think their energy is allegiance indicative. I think they are pretty low energy generally. They were a Town PR in another game I played with them recently and their energy was at about the same level, before and after they had outed themself

That's a fair point.

[Roden]

He's even said similarly in past games.

haven't heard this one before, mind linking the source?

i'm open to the idea of t3 being scum, hell i sure don't townread him, but the resons that kyouko had for pushing him were bad >_>

Also I hard lurk through pressure as scum.

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[MargotRosa]

He's even said similarly in past games.

haven't heard this one before, mind linking the source?

i'm open to the idea of t3 being scum, hell i sure don't townread him, but the resons that kyouko had for pushing him were bad >_>

I really should have named T3's category "???????", because I can't place the slot with any sense of coherency. Even here, right, T3 is less likely to be scum than Kyouko based on Kyouko's ISO. But I don't know that that means T3 should be higher on the read list, because their ISO is pinging me in every cardinal direction.

I think mewtaph and Sbf is an A or B situation, where one is scum and the other isn't.

I think Kyouko is likely scum if T3 isn't, but not necessarily the other way around...

[MargotRosa]

He's even said similarly in past games.

haven't heard this one before, mind linking the source?

i'm open to the idea of t3 being scum, hell i sure don't townread him, but the resons that kyouko had for pushing him were bad >_>

Also I hard lurk through pressure as scum.

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T3 hard lurked through everything, pressure or otherwise, after d1 in Newbie 2076