In post 192, Roden wrote:I'm pretty sure Dwlee saw the mod confirm, since they joked about this being a bastard game when they voted me
This is embarrassing (2) 
what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townieIn post 251, Salsabil Faria wrote:Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.
In post 199, MargotRosa wrote:Ok, my read list:
Town:
Roden (n0 inno)
Town lean:
Dwlee99:
Roden says n0 innocent, so let's go with that. I still don't have any clue what the hell was going on with you and page 3. I'm happy to drop it, given the inno, but post game would like to know what this was all about.
Datisi
Fuck, this Datisi/Datsi thing is screwing my brain. With the DPs as well, I’m getting some serious twins from season 2 of Korra vibes.
VOTE: 17 would be a galaxy brain early play by scum. I don't think scum comes out the gate swinging analysis that quickly. Then again, I don't as Town, so who knows. I don't have a sense of Datisi's meta, having not played with them before, so I'm going with gut here and saying they are Town.
Null:
Three people with ISOs that are too shallow to get a good read on
Not_Mafia
• Claimed Miller
Aristeia
• Not much to go off rn, but want so badly to put in my Town reads for username, which may or may not be an indirect reference to my fave Greek tragedy cycle
Innocent Villager
• Similarly empty ISO
Chaos:
Also had a mostly empty ISO, though I will say 18 is a weird early read in a way that Datisi's wasn't? Like, Datisi at least seemed to have posted reads early because they had hard reads to go off, whereas it feels like Chaos is either jumping at shadows on page 1. It comes across to me as a far scummier version of the former, but not enough to drop further down the reads list.
ssbm_Kyouko
Has come out swinging in about four different directions in very rapid succession. Unclear if trigger happy or
Nullscum:
T3:
Very hestitant with this one, so putting in a separate category lol. The Miller/Mason/Encrypter stuff is very strange, but also probably not out of T3's Town range. Just putting T3 here so it's on notice, and will come back to the slot later.
Scum lean:
Datsi:
Of the twins, Datsi seems the scummiest. Their posts are short, heavy hitters, and their reads are very shallow. Their densest post was 107, which only contributed an explanation of how a role modifier works. Otherwise, they have voted five times, for four different slots, within 19 hours. Their explanations are about as thin as they come 78 114 128 (all with no context, one literally just 'we gottem bois' which is almost immediately walked back).
Salsabil Faria:
A lot of ISO, particularly responses to Mewtaph’s pressure reads like nothing fluff. Mewtaph calls it stepping on his toes, but it seems less viscous than that. I guess if I had to put a word to it, it would be pufferfishing. Filling with air with nothing backing it up. Hard, because again, this doesn't seem out of line with their meta, so it's hard to say one way or another
Mewtaph
I haven't liked this slot's play since page 1, and it hasn't changed. 22 is yet another galaxy brain take, and 39 and 48 give me really bad vibes. In addition, they sheeped Dwlee's vote on innocentvillager 60, again with no context. The explanation, I'm sure, would be to apply pressure on a quiet slot, but I just don't get this playstyle. Is it just apply pressure haphazardly over and over and hope someone accidentally admits that they are scum?
In post 213, Datisi wrote:this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as townIn post 204, Dwlee99 wrote:IV no post
VOTE: innocentvillager
In post 214, Roden wrote:I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.In post 212, Datisi wrote:though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guessIn post 165, T3 wrote:it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.
why?In post 166, T3 wrote:town
In post 215, Datisi wrote:theoretical disagree on "town doesn't care about looking good", but that's besides the point now - do you think kyouko was aware that her push on t3 was shaky and so scum!her wouldn't have made it in the first place? because it seemed to me like she was convinced her push was great and made sense so dunno if i agree there
In post 216, Roden wrote:T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.
In post 223, MargotRosa wrote:I really should have named T3's category "???????", because I can't place the slot with any sense of coherency. Even here, right, T3 is less likely to be scum than Kyouko based on Kyouko's ISO. But I don't know that that means T3 should be higher on the read list, because their ISO is pinging me in every cardinal direction.In post 220, Datisi wrote:haven't heard this one before, mind linking the source?In post 216, Roden wrote:He's even said similarly in past games.
i'm open to the idea of t3 being scum, hell i sure don't townread him, but the resons that kyouko had for pushing him were bad >_>
I think mewtaph and Sbf is an A or B situation, where one is scum and the other isn't.
I think Kyouko is likely scum if T3 isn't, but not necessarily the other way around...
In post 227, Roden wrote:My viewpoint of "town vs scum caring about looking good" mainly comes from my own scum play style, but also something I've noticed in other players. For instance, Titus isn't in this game, but every time I've played with her I notice that she hunts for that town cred ASAP when scum and is a lot more casual D1 when town.
With Kyouko, I haven't really noticed her ever reach for town cred when town. She mainly just pokes and prods, and then starts walling when she's got a better grasp of the game state. I'd like to see one of her scum games though to note the differences.
It's not actually super townie yet but likeIn post 252, Datisi wrote:what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townieIn post 251, Salsabil Faria wrote:Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.
In post 260, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 252, Datisi wrote:what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townieIn post 251, Salsabil Faria wrote:Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.It's not actually super townie yet but likeT3said, 74 likely comes from town!Gammaas they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.
God I feel that in my soul.In post 229, Datisi wrote:my immediate reaction was due to me being a player who highly cares about my own image as either alignment. then gets into shitfights with people who start accusing me of being scum because i care about how i look. since apparently not wanting to get yourself yeeted and directly hurt your own win condition is solely a scum trait. >_> /rantIn post 227, Roden wrote:With Kyouko, I haven't really noticed her ever reach for town cred when town. She mainly just pokes and prods, and then starts walling when she's got a better grasp of the game state. I'd like to see one of her scum games though to note the differences.
anyway, haven't played with kyouko, so dunno about the meta there. though i'm sure there are players who don't reach for towncred as either alignment, so i'm not taking that as a surefire sign she's town.
I think you're good at vibing out scum, so I'll trust this list if we can sort you as town.In post 261, Salsabil Faria wrote:Read-list (in no particular order):
Roden
Datisi
datsi
T3
N_M
Aris
CO
iv
Getting a feeling that there is at least one scum in this list:
MR
Mew
Dwlee
ssbm
Why’s the response to immediately invert the read rather than to dial back?In post 217, MargotRosa wrote:Oh shit. In that case, invert my read on Dwlee. Sorry, I TR'd them solely because I thought you had conf towned themIn post 211, Roden wrote:I do think your reads list comes from a town mind set though Margot.
Margot feels a little better but I still have things I want out of herIn post 226, Datisi wrote:i'm getting positive vibes from margot and i'm interested in what my evil clone thinks of her now
Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.In post 48, Mewtaph wrote:It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.In post 45, Datisi wrote:in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?In post 39, Mewtaph wrote:Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.
also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?
I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.
I think T3 was saying that Datisi is town. Pretty sure he is scumreading me.In post 214, Roden wrote:I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.In post 212, Datisi wrote:though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guessIn post 165, T3 wrote:it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.
why?In post 166, T3 wrote:town
Bolded is not what you were saying a mere 7 posts ago, what changed?In post 215, Datisi wrote:theoretical disagree on "town doesn't care about looking good", but that's besides the point now - do you think kyouko was aware that her push on t3 was shaky and so scum!her wouldn't have made it in the first place?because it seemed to me like she was convinced her push was great and made senseso dunno if i agree there
Doesn't seem to me like you really believe that I did this, considering 215.In post 208, Datisi wrote:no, i'm arguing that claim would never be *seriously* made by scum. and again, no, i'm not arguing you're scum who believed town!t3,In post 162, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You argue that T3 making that claim would never actually be done by scum, but it's just as easily argued that scum would never actually believe a town player would make that claim, which is what you're accusing me of now.In post 152, Datisi wrote:like, if you're a miller, ok
if you're mason miller, why out that you're also a mason
if you're outing that you're a mason, why out a partner as well
if you're mafia seriously fakeclaiming for no reason, why the hell would you do any of that
and going "yeah that seemed like a serious scum fakeclaim to me" feels like it's coming from scum who's grasping at reasons to wagon someone rather than town actually thinking things through
You say I'm scum that is grasping for reasons to push T3. If you think it's ridiculous or unbelievable that I actually think T3 is lying here, but you dont realize that what you are postulating looks just as ridiculous, you're the one not thinking clearly.
Going to have to disagree with you on T3.i'm arguing you're scum who saw town!t3 was doing some bullshit nonsense, decided to play dumb, pretend you believe it, and then pretend to debunk it after "taking it seriously". see the difference?
Large Normal 233 and Mini Normal 2218 are my only recent scumgames. Everything else is pre-hiatus.In post 227, Roden wrote:My viewpoint of "town vs scum caring about looking good" mainly comes from my own scum play style, but also something I've noticed in other players. For instance, Titus isn't in this game, but every time I've played with her I notice that she hunts for that town cred ASAP when scum and is a lot more casual D1 when town.
With Kyouko, I haven't really noticed her ever reach for town cred when town. She mainly just pokes and prods, and then starts walling when she's got a better grasp of the game state. I'd like to see one of her scum games though to note the differences.
salsa is town but so am IIn post 265, Roden wrote:I think you're good at vibing out scum, so I'll trust this list if we can sort you as town.In post 261, Salsabil Faria wrote:Read-list (in no particular order):
Roden
Datisi
datsi
T3
N_M
Aris
CO
iv
Getting a feeling that there is at least one scum in this list:
MR
Mew
Dwlee
ssbm