Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

Wisdom · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:11 am

Even so, his motivation is right there in that post
He thought scum might join the wagon

Momrangal · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:25 am

Right out of RVS?

Taly · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:49 pm

In post 109, Taly wrote:
In post 105, Wisdom wrote:
In post 101, imaginality wrote:We'd know if Taly were the 8-ball, as the rules clearly say the 8-ball will flip as 8-ball if eliminated. And besides, whether or not the mod announces it, it'll be obvious by whether scum get a kill that night.

All of which is to say the "if you flipped scum I could consider it" seems more likely to me to come from scum talking to town than from town. Scum talking to town know the first part of the statement ("if you flip scum" can't occur so are more likely to give a careless consequence "I could consider it", compared with town who believe it's a genuine possibility to consider.
You're right, I don't consider Taly flipping scum a real possibility which is why I didn't run the simulation in my head and
didn't realize he'd flip 8ball
Was there a typo here? I need you to clarify
Wisdom
.

In post 111, Wisdom wrote:
In post 109, Taly wrote:Was there a typo here? I need you to clarify Wisdom.
No

The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

Taly · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:49 pm

In post 121, Momrangal wrote:Uif Taly thought I could be 8ball, why vote the 8ball

'cause it's fun.

In post 125, Wisdom wrote:Even so, his motivation is right there in that post
He thought scum might join the wagon

This too, but my thought was more broad than

Mom's

slot. I figured almost anyone could be the 8ball, so I hopped on somebody already being voted in RVS to see how much fire the wagon got.

But there was some nuance, though. Since this plist is full of veteran players,

Mom

is the most recent joindate with the least experience I've had with. So I wanted to vote someone I thought

could

reasonably be 8ball.

IE, I probably wasn't going to bite an RVS wagon on

the worst

,

Wisdom

, or

Alisae

because I see them as pretty strong players and unlikely to be eliminated D1.

In post 126, Momrangal wrote:Right out of RVS?

Honestly, this post right here:

In post 33, Taly wrote:I had a very weak thought of
Mom
-8ball but everybody in the thread posted between my vote on her and my post a few moments ago. Nobody seemed to want the wagon.

If you think
Wisdom
is scum, why not join
Imaginality
?

Had

FAR MORE

to do with me trying to sort

the worst

than it did your slot,

Mom

. Even me talking about your slot was a gauge to see if

the worst

would comment on it.

:3 Hope that clears some stuff up!

Taly · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:52 pm

In post 32, the worst wrote:I think Wisdom is scum and Momrangal is the 8 ball. wbu?

I mean, this is a lovely post to return to later in the game.

ISO · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:01 pm

In post 101, imaginality wrote:In other news, Taly's recent posts make me lean town on him, seems like genuine reasoning/questions and the miscount of the votes on him seems more likely to come from two than scum. Also #78 where he raises the possibility he's scum rather than 8-ball.

@hiraki for the next post.

In post 78, Taly wrote:
In post 72, Wisdom wrote:I think I'm never the 8ball here, everyone but Imaginality knows me and doubt they think I'm limmable

Taly has decent chances of being it
Am I likelier the 8ball than I am wagoned-scum?

Are the two worlds mutually exlusive? (Could I be scum and 8ball)?

i kind of feel similar to imaginality. might need to indulge me for a sec because this is from the deepest depths of my warped mind.

it's kind of like, ancient wisdom that "elim-bait can also roll scum", right. but it's also a very easily position to fall back to that limbait are not worth pushing because it's too easy, and them doing weakly scum indicative things isn't actually scum indicative.

here taly is positing that he himself has high 8-ball equity, but that doesn't necessarily make him town. i think that's something town do slightly more than random, BUT is also something taly would say as scum. but i think the fact that he's done it in a way that feels genuinely curious about wisdom's motivation without taking the time out to dwell on what it actually means for himself is probably slightly

more

indicative of a pure mindset.

ISO · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:01 pm

In post 104, Bingle wrote:
In post 100, the worst wrote:
Spoiler: mfw i'm townreading alisae

In post 76, the worst wrote:VOTE: ali

Spoiler:
(sorry i didn't look for a better pic)

You are feeling very red m&m, aren’t you? Are you being a cheeky worst?

:3

ISO · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:04 pm

In post 109, Taly wrote:For context, I have hydra'd with Ali as both alignments and have played with them solo when they've been both alignments. So they're right up there with the worst in terms of my familiarity in mafia.

oh ahh oh no!!

ISO · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 117, Momrangal wrote:
In post 32, the worst wrote:I think Wisdom is scum and Momrangal is the 8 ball. wbu?

In post 33, Taly wrote:I had a very weak thought of
Mom
-8ball but everybody in the thread posted between my vote on her and my post a few moments ago. Nobody seemed to want the wagon.

If you think
Wisdom
is scum, why not join
Imaginality
?
Hmmm...

I think I prefer Taly or duckie here.

Duckie moreso, their post on you v me was a joke seems like a weird backtrack

i kind of wonder if you having missed the joke is alignment indicative, but i'll get more out of seeing how this read develops

ISO · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:07 pm

In post 125, Wisdom wrote:Even so, his motivation is right there in that post
He thought scum might join the wagon

In post 126, Momrangal wrote:Right out of RVS?

yeah!! always wagon limbait (or like, this list doesn't really have limbait, so wagon people you think have decent 8ball equity) early. if they slip utr until later in early phases you're more likely to get a scrambly wagon onto them which is much less insightful!

Taly · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:23 pm

I'm soulreading good vibes from

the worst

now. Shit.

He's fooled me with his cute yellow feathers before.

ISO · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:41 pm

don't worry taly, i'm scum in this game.

ISO · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:42 pm

oops i mean town!! what a fascinating typo. such a silly typo, i'm so silly.

Taly · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:43 pm

Suddenly, I feel better about punishing you with a vote when you succumb to paranoia 28. Your fear tastes sweet.

ISO · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Hiraki · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:11 pm

In post 130, the worst wrote:@hiraki for the next post.

huh

ISO · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:17 pm

In post 102, Hiraki wrote:I'm not really following the above but it seems like you're saying something smart but it's just not clicking for me. Can you go a little more bite-sized?

that was my response to this

Taly · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:31 pm

the worst

, are you open to explaining that

alisae

vote, or would that spoil something my bird brain isn't seeing?

(not replying is also a reply)

ISO · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:30 pm

Wisdom · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:26 pm

In post 127, Taly wrote:The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Wisdom · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:28 pm

In post 128, Taly wrote:Mom is the most recent joindate with the least experience I've had with

Mom is an alt in case you didn't know, her actual join date is around mine

Bingle · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:12 am

In post 144, Wisdom wrote:
In post 127, Taly wrote:The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.
No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I play.

Bingle · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:13 am

In post 135, Taly wrote:I'm soulreading good vibes from
the worst
now. Shit.

He's fooled me with his cute yellow feathers before.

Really? His tone is making me worried he's scum taunting me.

Wisdom · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:14 am

Taly probably misread but Imaginality's one feels like it could be scum motivated

Bingle · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:17 am

In post 107, imaginality wrote:Wisdom admits not considering Taly as scum. So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.

I don't think "Wisdom is TMI-ing Taly town" is a particularly strong reason when I think Taly town is a pretty easy stance to take.

What do you think of Ducky/Mom/Ali?