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[Salsabil Faria]

See, I knew it was good to eliminate myself, otherwise I would be on elo and town lost.

[Salsabil Faria]

See, I knew it was good to eliminate myself, otherwise I would be on elo and town lost.

[Salsabil Faria]

[Mewtaph]

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

does this mean that you read us as town, but you're cautious about committing to the read? if so, what about us is giving you pause (and what do you find townie about t3?)? if that's not what you meant, can you rephrase?

First question - yes. What's giving me pause is scumranges. As much as I'd like to lock my townreads in confidently and move on I think I'll find it hard to do so this game specifically with your two slots. The reason I'm townreading T3 - a level of engagement or disengagement with the game that I think comes off as townie and is hard, but not impossible to replicate as scum. Datisi, your play similarly is also most likely within your scum range but I think it's hard to keep your level of gamesolving up as scum without pushing yourself into a corner eventually. I haven't played with T3 before but it seems that other players that have played with him before (Margot) are giving him credit for his scumgame so I'm doing the same.

[Datisi]

i find it a bit odd that you're thinking in terms of scumranges when you've never seen scum!me (or town!me for that matter) before? unless you've done your research on me, i'd assume you don't know what my scumgame is like, so why the thought around it?

[Mewtaph]

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My instinct upon seeing this is noting how there's no sense of urgency here to address my post. Seems like something town!Kyouko would be interested in addressing, while scum!Kyouko is more comfortable with leaving it in the air so their vote remains occupied on me (and not elsewhere in the gamestate).

[Mewtaph]

i find it a bit odd that you're thinking in terms of scumranges when you've never seen scum!me (or town!me for that matter) before? unless you've done your research on me, i'd assume you don't know what my scumgame is like, so why the thought around it?

The thought around it is because I've played heavy on day 1 solving as scum before to the point where I entangle myself to the point where I can't "gamesolve" in a genuine sense anymore (pushing wagons on innocents to forward win con). I don't know what your scumgame is like, but I am approaching with caution. Not to the point where I'm going to try and find every way your posts can be interpreted from a mafia perspective, but to the point where I'm not operating around you being locked in as rown (which I think is more likely than not) in the off chance that you aren't.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

^This is how far I currently am in a reread. I have thoughts to add on datsi. I've come to expect him to not vibe with me regardless of both of our alignments, so nothing is off there. I do think I can read him well with time and am just going to postpone that.

Dwlee I still think could have been pocketing me before I realized Roden was IC but overall they seem like town!dwlee so far.

I tried to meta MargotRosa the other day just before Mewtaph, because the parroting pinged me, but the words she used are part of her normal vernacular and I couldn't find evidence of her parroting as a scumtell in other games.

Speaking of Mewtaph, specifically what I found in his meta is that as scum he has made a big deal of getting the game out of RVS. It was a newbie game from a long time ago but he hasn't played many games. I think he's still new to scum and that this is still a viable tell. *puts on a tinfoil hat* Now for the juicy bit. Datisi coming into the game swinging on Mewtaph's opener could be a partner interaction. My theory is that Mewtaph came into the PT and voiced that he is new and/or uncomfortable playing scum. Datisi strikes me as a good scum player (have not metad them yet, but I get the vibe from their posting that they would be good at it), and I think that they could have planned for Datisi to make the push early and veer off in order to discourage wagons later in D1 and build cred for Datisi at the same time. I feel like when someone was a wagon early and their wagon dissipates that town is often hesitant to revisit the first wagon unless they've exhausted other scumreads and realized "hey, my original read might have been right because all these other players I've tried to pressure today are towntelling."

All that said, Datisi could have just sniped Mewtaph's ass and I'm not

convinced

Datisi is scum with Mewtaph. Just wanted to share this.

Aristeia I feel has been lackluster and hasn't been touched yet despite being obviously LHF, so that could be an indication that either scum are content with the current state or she is scum.

Chaos I haven't had to read before as I was scum in Large 233, but cOOl vibrations™ from them so far.

I'm always down to policy N_M early just in case, because I'm likely to defend a policy elim on him later in the game, and if he's scum that could put me in a difficult spot again. Also he left that note on my car in Dead Silence III which he may have accidentally meant to leave on my car in this game where he is actually mafia???

Uhh Roden is IC, voiced opinions on T3... I actually think the "Salsa moonlogic is town" comes from town!T3 so I'm conflicted on his slot atm.

Salsa as well I think is town from the tone and the direction of her questioning. This is a meta read.

I think that's thoughts on everyone but IV who had a weak entrance, and I'm waiting on more from, and Roden who is confirmed.

If I were to make a list right now:

Salsa
ChaosOmega, Dwlee
MargotRosa, Datisi
N_M, datsi*, IV
Aristeia, T3
-
Mewtaph

Nulls: N_M I'm not bothering with yet. I'll try later if I have to. Datsi I think I will be able to read with enough time. innocentvillager needs more posts for me. Aristeia is not falling into null for the same reason as IV because Aristeia's lack of content is being ignored, but IV's is not.

[Aristeia]

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

T3 feels kind of listless/boring, them losing interest in a game usually leans more scum indicative for me.

[Not_Mafia]

But I’m town

[Datisi]

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

hasn't this been the case for pretty much everyone here - i don't think anyone talked about n_m further than "oh look miller claim". why do you think it's partner indicative? or rather, do you think town!gamma *would* have spoken about n_m more?

[Aristeia]

They have history together.

It'd be like if I joined this game and didn't talk with you.

It would be very weird

[Mewtaph]

Not following Kyouko. Quick check on a few of my scumgames (including the one where you replaced in) and I don't see the same tell that you're seeing. Nor was I interested in being centre stage for leaving RVS but we'll play into that for now. If you're town genuinely believing to have found a scumtell I don't expect to to change your mind at this point, but I don't exactly feel that town!you would insist on this scumtelll this hard considering it isn't an actual scumtell (I'm town this game and this tell seems more like a take on what happened this game except my intention wasn't even to make a big deal about leaving RVS). It would make more sense if you didn't try to add the meta part to it honestly.

[Datisi]

it's one thing to have history with someone, but i don't think having history with n_m means that someone would actually be attempting to... talk to him. like i have history with n_m and i'm likely to just ignore him for the time being, unless he does something very interesting. do you have any games you're thinking of as examples where gamma did interact with him early on?

pedit: this is @aristeia

[Dwlee99]

Also have history with NM also have not interacted

[Aristeia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Aristeia]

Gamma was very tilted by NM in 2170 and starts this game off weary of him and sorting him actively, even go as far as to be worried when MC TRs NM.

Here he is not very interested in NM at all.

[Not_Mafia]

They have history together.

It'd be like if I joined this game and didn't talk with you.

It would be very weird

Gamma tends to just kind of ignore me as of late

[MargotRosa]

Sorry I've been AWOL over the last day. Sleep routine has been utterly fucked. I'll post something good tomorrow, promise

[Aristeia]

They have history together.

It'd be like if I joined this game and didn't talk with you.

It would be very weird

Gamma tends to just kind of ignore me as of late

do you have a completed game for me to look at with Gamma?

[innocentvillager]

Hi IV can you give real reads? Thank

I just got here man

they will come

in due time

[innocentvillager]

sorry I mean *man* in a gender neutral way don’t mean to misgender you

[Mewtaph]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588
This is the newbie where ssbm_Kyouko replaced in my slot for reference.

[Dwlee99]

That's the third time in like 10 hours where someone has called me man what is happening

It's okay

[innocentvillager]

I’m sorry dwlee maybe it’s the prof pic it looks like a man

still not an excuse