Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Wisdom]

Ali you wanna live?
Read my points about Imaginality and vote there

[Alisae]

All of which is to say the "if you flipped scum I could consider it" seems more likely to me to come from scum talking to town than from town. Scum talking to town know the first part of the statement ("if you flip scum" can't occur so are more likely to give a careless consequence "I could consider it", compared with town who believe it's a genuine possibility to consider.

[Alisae]

Wis 225 reads like a threat >_<

[Wisdom]

*shrug*
I told you, the only way I'm not liming you is if imaginality becomes a possibility

[imaginality]

Ali you wanna live?
Read my points about Imaginality and vote there

Yeah, let's read your points.

Yeah I know townies get fixated on "scumslips" and push them forever, I've done it myself a couple times

I don't know, I kind of disliked his tone in pushing it, for example his appeal to people to judge whether I am inno or guilty for my statement felt a little manipulative

How is it in any way manipulative to ask others which possibility they think is more likely? Compared to the "omg X is sooooo scum, don't be losers come elim X with me nao!" over the top playstyles?

But again Imaginality is the one person I haven't played with in this playerlist so I could be disliking playstyle

Even you admit your point is questionable.

So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.

Like this is suggestive, it's like he's saying "Taly is not obvtown so I don't believe Wisdom" but he's putting it more subtly so it immediately rings manipulation bells for me

How is it subtle for me to present that choice in the context of me voting you? It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).

And unless I've missed something, that's the sum total of your points against me. Whereas this push on me is a point against you, it fits the 'scum wanting to get players who are suspicious of them eliminated' motif.

Not how I'd have expected town to respond to what I said. My vote is staying on you.

[Alisae]

I don't think the guy is scum.
It's scummy behavior ya but gun to my head says it's just playstyle.
I also think if it is scum it'll be identifiable later where as right now it could go either way but I think it's likely town

[Alisae]

Even you admit your point is questionable.

[Alisae]

also how did I not see 155
155 is good

[Wisdom]

Imaginality's tone still feels manipulative to me

[Alisae]

wow why does something so fucking interesting need to happen when deadline is almost here.

[Alisae]

Imaginality's tone still feels manipulative to me

I can see why you would think that

[Alisae]

It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).

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[Alisae]

It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).

[Wisdom]

Whereas this push on me is a point against you, it fits the 'scum wanting to get players who are suspicious of them eliminated' motif.

Not how I'd have expected town to respond to what I said. My vote is staying on you.

Like this is trying to convince others that I am not town
He does not care to actually engage with me and figure if I am town

[Wisdom]

All I get from his post is "let's answer to Wisdom's points and try to discredit them/look good"
Especially the part where he includes the benefit of the doubt I gave him feels like it's just there to shade me

[Alisae]

Like this is trying to convince others that I am not town
He does not care to actually engage with me and figure if I am town

coming from the guy who I quote "I do not talk to scum"

[Wisdom]

Yeah but that's me
Does anyone have experience with imaginality and can assure me he's like me?

[Alisae]

that is you that is very true

[the worst]

The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I'm scum in.

now

this

is a scumslip

But like, it reads like a potential slip to me too. Djdoxjsklsjshs

i'd be interested in you expanding, i've had growing concerns about bingle.

Just the

"every game I'm scum in"

sounds like an admission since it seemed

Bingle

presumed that the

Wisdom

post was a red herring. Why would the first part of that sentence be true but the next be false?

Like, I can't be misreading again can I?

And why hold off on those concerns ducky, you waiting for me to be your shield?

i'm wondering why you're making up opinions. lol.

[the worst]

i think if i rolled scum with momrangal in this plist i'd encourage us to make mom the 8ball just for the 'venge'kill to counter swing
not because i think mom is bad. i just think mom is a slow burn player, and is unlikely to get a strong footing in d1 in this player list.

idrk how meaningful this is just sayin

Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t

Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t

Actually... unpack this for me?

The scum role PM is public, and it's me. Why would

me

knowing setup stuff be scum indicative at all? And haven't you played this setup before?

Wasn't Alisae replying to the worst, not you?
Although the point still applies, I don't see why #199 is suspicious.

i am tw !!

[the worst]

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I play.

Omfg you're right. Apologies. Fucking duck.

IT'S LATE. I'M GOING TO BED.

GOTTEM

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

[Alisae]

Wis atm I think it's either you or him

[the worst]

if i had one bullet and wisdom and imaginality rn i think i'd shoot wisdom

except i'd cry if it was a miselim

[the worst]

i've missed wisdom but like, he's scary as scum and i don't see the imaginality stuff at all

[Alisae]

Imaginality also said I could be scum with Wis
that's kinda weirdchamp
I don't think Wis would just bus me at the start of the game if we were partners. Hell randing scum w/ wis would probably actually be exciting?