Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Kate Bishop]

Also, we know it's possible for multiple players to share a source material... so it explains why Gamma went last, to make so there were no other people from How not to summon.

This doesn't make sense

[Cabd]

Why not?

[Kate Bishop]

If we know multiple players can share the same source material, why would Gamma need to go last? Another player from How Not To Summon wouldn't be a problem.

[Cabd]

Because he might end up getting CC'd with his faked flavor on the off chance that his claim really WAS in the game?

[Kate Bishop]

So you mean claiming a character that's in the game.

Why was Dunn comfortable fake claiming?

[Gamma Emerald]

I also put off claiming for an incessant amount of time, there would have been plenty of time to process that I had the all-clear to claim.

[Lukewarm]

Gamma, are you scum casing yourself ?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think GiF will be back tomorrow. 7 alive, assume Gamma is town, we still end up 3-2 tomorrow if scum redirect to Gamma and get elim + kill from gamma elim + nightkill. With 5 alive in game going into the night I think S_S also has a decent shot at stopping the kill

VOTE: Gamma
No lim is fine as well but is no upside and same risk of scum calling the vote. Surely they chose one of no lim, Gamma, Cabd.

I'm also down to coinflip to decide between Gamma and Cabd, but there's no upside to no lim imo

[Gamma Emerald]

If there’s good evidence towards GiF coming back tomorrow I’ll take the fall but I need something real.
@Luke not really, just saying Cabd’s point is beyond inane, there’s an “if I were scum” that I left out of that post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wanna do Wheme or Luke. There's no way those were the people picked.

I think Cabd + Gamma makes 0 sense as a team. Sorry not sorry.

so for me, who else can cabd be with

not Kate, not Kyouko not Me not Gamma

so Luke or Wheme?

and Wheme is only scum IFF cabd is.

And Gamma same deal. Not kate kyouko me cabd

so Luke or Wheme? and so can't be wheme?

so we have

Luke+Gamma
Luke+Cabd
Wheme+Cabd

and some weird GIF teams that should never exist.

In my mind, I think we kill Luke then, right?

[Kate Bishop]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

[WhemeStar]

Kate is lld town here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

[Kate Bishop]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

Thinking on this.

The problem I have is that they've both done independently scummy stuff, and Gamma's been a lot more hamhanded about stuff than Cabd has (as I'd kinda expect. Cabd's one devilish clever human being when it comes to scum roles).

Can you talk about specifically why you're scumreading Luke?

[Lukewarm]

@wheme

Do you just get the ability name, or do you get the full description as well?

I still want a full claim from Wheme

I know you are telling the truth about your role.

I took this to mean that you got my ability description, because at the time I had only given the description. Cabd seems to think that you only got the name.

Can you help us out?

[Kate Bishop]

Kate is lld town here

We think so.

Can you answer Luke's question?

[WhemeStar]

I get your role PM besides your allignemnt I got ability desc + name

[WhemeStar]

Thats how I knew u werent lying about ur role

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does gamma not make sense with Cabd?

The first thing he did yesterday was discredit us when we tried to push Cabd.

You said Gamma was Marci, right?

you think Cabd did this weird gimmick shit with Marci, had Gamma replace in, fail to claim, what was very easy to do just "I am one of the two" and flow from there?

I don't know if they pull that gambit and then retract it on the replace in

Thinking on this.

The problem I have is that they've both done independently scummy stuff, and Gamma's been a lot more hamhanded about stuff than Cabd has (as I'd kinda expect. Cabd's one devilish clever human being when it comes to scum roles).

Can you talk about specifically why you're scumreading Luke?

I mean.

Kyouko town.
You town.
Me town.

Leaves 4 left.

If Cabd+Gamma is off the list

and Wheme can only be with Cabd (removes Wheme Luke, Wheme Gamma)

Luke/Cabd
Luke/Gamma
Cabd/Wheme

Nothing else should remain.

If Luke Gamma, kill Luke.
If Luke Cabd, kill Luke.
If Cabd/Wheme, kill Wheme.

Since people won't kill Wheme and there's good reasons to believe maybe not to

Luke is the strongest PoE.

Like if you think Wheme is town, Kate.

That leaves only Cabd/Gamma/Luke

In which case, you always kill Luke. Always.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like your PoE has narrowed similarly and yet you're.... stuck on Luke.

I have no townread there.

[Lukewarm]

LLD, that runs on the assumption that you are town. And from your pov, yeah. But you are lower on my town reads (heh) and also lower on Kate's. You are also forgetting Gif.

I have also had issues seeing Gamma+Cabd together, for a similar reason.

That is why I have kinda brushed off kate every time they ask me who the third is after gamma. I don't have the mental capacity atm to sift through you/cabd/kate/gif and figure out who I think the last on is. I don't have the energy to iso dive Dunn either. I was really looking forward to a night phase :/

I really don't think that it is kyouko, and I have come around on wheme as well. the rest is a blur of "I can see it if I squint really hard, but no one seems to fit quite right"

That is part of why I am for no elim. I think gamma is scum, but I think that killing gamma right now is a trap. I don't know who the last one is, and killing someone right now puts us on evens, so I would rather no kill now then at MElo, because we should have more investigative results from wheme and/or kyouko.

[Lukewarm]

also lower on Kate's

lower [then me] on Kate's

[Lukewarm]

I get your role PM besides your allignemnt I got ability desc + name

That is what I thought.

This makes you an alignment cop on LLD and cabd.

I cannot see scum with a "the scum team can mind control you into doing the night kill" nor do I think the wording "you are informed that sora and/or shiro are town" would sit right either.

For LLD, her claim would have to be a blanket lie, so if its not there, she is scum

If cabd has anything that mentions shiro/sora, but is not worded as "you know they are town" then that is how he learned your name, and this was a gambit, and he is scum.

But if either one is worded the way they claim to be worded, I would view it as a cop inno.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, that runs on the assumption that you are town. And from your pov, yeah. But you are lower on my town reads (heh) and also lower on Kate's. You are also forgetting Gif.

I have also had issues seeing Gamma+Cabd together, for a similar reason.

That is why I have kinda brushed off kate every time they ask me who the third is after gamma. I don't have the mental capacity atm to sift through you/cabd/kate/gif and figure out who I think the last on is. I don't have the energy to iso dive Dunn either. I was really looking forward to a night phase :/

I really don't think that it is kyouko, and I have come around on wheme as well. the rest is a blur of "I can see it if I squint really hard, but no one seems to fit quite right"

That is part of why I am for no elim. I think gamma is scum, but I think that killing gamma right now is a trap. I don't know who the last one is, and killing someone right now puts us on evens, so I would rather no kill now then at MElo, because we should have more investigative results from wheme and/or kyouko.

Hey Kate, is this town?

[WhemeStar]

What if gif is just scum