Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[imaginality]

i think if i rolled scum with momrangal in this plist i'd encourage us to make mom the 8ball just for the 'venge'kill to counter swing
not because i think mom is bad. i just think mom is a slow burn player, and is unlikely to get a strong footing in d1 in this player list.

idrk how meaningful this is just sayin

Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t

Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t

Actually... unpack this for me?

The scum role PM is public, and it's me. Why would

me

knowing setup stuff be scum indicative at all? And haven't you played this setup before?

Wasn't Alisae replying to the worst, not you?
Although the point still applies, I don't see why #199 is suspicious.

i am tw !!

My #210 was @Bingle not you. I thought Ali's #200 was in response to your #199 but she clarified it was in response to Bingle's #197

[Wisdom]

i've missed wisdom but like, he's scary as scum and i don't see the imaginality stuff at all

People typically don't listen to me when I catch manipulative scum
It's like only I see it

[Alisae]

I need to think on this

[Wisdom]

Based off interactions or lack thereof, if Wisdom's scum I think the buddy is among:
Mom
Ali
the worst

Yeah this is interesting actually
I'm assuming Mom and Ali are there because they are the people I'm scumreading other than you
the worst is there because of "lack of interactions"? And if so why is there no, say, Hiraki, in here?

[Alisae]

if I made a vote right now I feel like I would be coinflipping 50-50.
I need more information

[imaginality]

Imaginality also said I could be scum with Wis
that's kinda weirdchamp
I don't think Wis would just bus me at the start of the game if we were partners. Hell randing scum w/ wis would probably actually be exciting?

I don't see early day 1 votes as bussing, too easy to hop off onto other wagons by end of day. If anything it's convenient minor bit of distancing.

I don't have a scum read on you. My read on you is pretty neutral so far, you are playing different than you did in the other game I was in with you (OMB) where you replaced our as scum but I don't place much weight on meta (aka I'm too busy to meta properly (aka too lazy) so I'm keeping a watching brief.

My post where I listed you (and Mom and the worst) was in response to the "if Wisdom is scum who's the partner?" question just looking at how different slots have interacted with Wisdom.

Taking other play into account I'd say if Wisdom flips scum Mom is my main suspect. But she's not scummy enough in isolation that I'd vote her over Wisdom today.

[Wisdom]

if I made a vote right now I feel like I would be coinflipping 50-50.
I need more information

Wis atm I think it's either you or him

Honestly you make me think you're just scum looking at a tvt and eating popcorn with such posts

[Wisdom]

Like tw also mentioned something similar but he didn't try to pass the belief that there HAS to be a scum between me and imaginality

Whereas you keep doing it

[Alisae]

if you gonna keep pressuring me to take a stance I'll just vote you

[imaginality]

Based off interactions or lack thereof, if Wisdom's scum I think the buddy is among:
Mom
Ali
the worst

Yeah this is interesting actually
I'm assuming Mom and Ali are there because they are the people I'm scumreading other than you
the worst is there because of "lack of interactions"? And if so why is there no, say, Hiraki, in here?

Ali for the possible early distancing vote.
Mom for same plus the warning her not to buddy you.
the worst for lack of interactions
Hiraki #102 and #106 seemed like some genuine interest in trying to figure out my reason for my read on you.

[Wisdom]

Fair, I was thinking only about how much I've interacted with Hiraki which is at all

[Alisae]

Like Wis, how is going about this in this way going to convince me to help you? Why would I even WANT to help you?

[Alisae]

Like ya you could be town right on scum
or you can be scum trying to bully me into helping you complete your objective

how is going about this in this manor going to get me to help you?

You want to READ me?
Leave me the fuck alone and do what I do best, which is trying to read the actions of the other players in the table.

If you think Imaginality is scum, go fucking vote it and push it. It would be way more productive than voting me while also trying to 1v1 the guy and if people want to vote me you can just swap back anyways if u insist on maintaining this stance that I'm scum

[Wisdom]

I don't particularly care about convincing you
You're still who I want lim'd most

[Alisae]

if you don't care why did you try to

[imaginality]

@Wisdom about me not talking to you directly. Earlier I was more interested in how you (and others) would respond to my points and vote if I wasn't going hard at you. Plus I think my playstyle is less direct than some, in general.

Now this post of yours though, this was interesting:

if I made a vote right now I feel like I would be coinflipping 50-50.
I need more information

Wis atm I think it's either you or him

Honestly you make me think you're just scum looking at a tvt and eating popcorn with such posts

This is a valid consideration. Especially with how Ali ramps up the aggro right afterwards. Seems like Ali could be scum feeling under pressure from your post:

Like ya you could be town right on scum
or you can be scum trying to bully me into helping you complete your objective

how is going about this in this manor going to get me to help you?

You want to READ me?
Leave me the fuck alone and do what I do best, which is trying to read the actions of the other players in the table.

If you think Imaginality is scum, go fucking vote it and push it. It would be way more productive than voting me while also trying to 1v1 the guy and if people want to vote me you can just swap back anyways if u insist on maintaining this stance that I'm scum

Wisdom, you were calling my earlier post manipulative. Ali's #262, now that's manipulative.
I buy the popcorning scum theory.

VOTE: Alisae

Ali warning you not to push her to decide between us too soon makes me think I'm the 8-ball and she's wanting to see if there's enough interest to get me eliminated over you while perfectly happy to see you go also.

[Alisae]

lmao

[Alisae]

Ok I’m going here
VOTE: wisdom

Wis + Bingle could be a team

[Wisdom]

Ali warning you not to push her to decide between us too soon makes me think I'm the 8-ball and she's wanting to see if there's enough interest to get me eliminated over you while perfectly happy to see you go also.

That sounds farfetched, why indicate he's scumreading me more than you if you were the 8ball
Voting you is free, I literally asked him to do it or die

[Alisae]

Meh actually he can write that and be scum
UNVOTE:
Gun to head that reads like town voting me but it could be scum seeing an opportunity
Need to think what it is

[Wisdom]

And 262 doesn't really feel manipulative
At least not the manipulative kind I'm talking about
He is directly asking me to take x action, he's not subtly trying to make me do it

[Alisae]

This is a nightmare

[Alisae]

Need other people to give an opinion
Need to see how people move where they go what they do

[Wisdom]

Gun to head that reads like town voting me but it could be scum seeing an opportunity

It feels like the latter to me
You compared his style to me, do you think I'd ever switch off my deathtunelee so easily? Onto the person they're voting?

[Alisae]

No and I admired that that’s you and probably not him