Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[imaginality]

What the fuck did I just read?

What have Bingle, Mom, the worst, Hiraki and I have done than not lean into the 1v1 between Imaginality/Wisdom?

Like, y'all pull Alisae's teeth for a vote when she's at L-1 or L-2, and then are content to eliminate them - because they won't join you guys on your quest to eliminate each other?

No.

the worst posted that he suspects Wisdom and not me.

Wisdom's attempt to make it a 1v1 started back here:

Or Imaginality if you prefer
Mom id rather give one more day

*shrug*
I told you, the only way I'm not liming you is if imaginality becomes a possibility

Since the earlier of those posts, until you turned up now, only two people aside from me, Ali and Wisdom have posted:

-the worst: sees Wisdom as scummier than me
-Hiraki: sees Alisae as scum which I'm fine with, it's an active position to take

Bingle, Mom and you, I just assumed hadn't read any of this drama yet. And hadn't previously pushed a binary me v Wisdom framework. So I was waiting to see what you'd say when you show up.

With Alisae:

Wis atm I think it's either you or him

if I made a vote right now I feel like I would be coinflipping 50-50.
I need more information

This is leaning into the 1v1 focus while still biding time to decide which way to go with it.

In the context of her having a couple of votes on her (another difference to other players), it seems like an attempt to shift the end of day framing to get people to think in terms of a me v Wisdom binary decision and away from her.

Taly, Bingle, Mom

Do you think there are two scum among {me, Alisae, Wisdom}? If yes who? If no which pair are the most likely to be TvTing?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's attempt to make it a 1v1 started back here:

Actually here:

Taly probably misread but Imaginality's one feels like it could be scum motivated

[imaginality]

Oh also, explain where I "pull Alisae's teeth for a vote when she's at L-1 or L-2" because that's a blatant misrep.

[Bingle]

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

[Hiraki]

Sure

i got major aliscum pings from your conversation - this for instance -

Like ya you could be town right on scum
or you can be scum trying to bully me into helping you complete your objective

how is going about this in this manor going to get me to help you?

You want to READ me?
Leave me the fuck alone and do what I do best, which is trying to read the actions of the other players in the table.

1) i don't understand what 'helping' means here with in conjunction with 2...
2) as you say in the next post, you want ali lim'd most
3) it is much easier (and has been done much better in other games) that ali would have just ignored votes on his wagon. i don't know if that's explicitly an aliscumtell but it is not an alitowntell

i also felt the taly vote was more of a pocket attempt than anything considering that it wasn't really for good reasoning other than going along with my own reasoning. then the drop off wasn't really given a lot of reasoning - not that i cared for it either

[Bingle]

Vote Count 1.1

2 Alisae (Wisdom, the worst, Hiraki, imaginality)
1 imaginality (Bingle)
1 the worst (Momrangal)
1 Hiraki (Taly)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Updated to 288. If the mod counts Taly's thing that was a hammer.

[Wisdom]

Oh right, forgot tw was voting there

[Bingle]

Neither Ali nor Imaginality is a shitty wagon out of desperation,

Fair, and I wasn't saying they were, necessarily. I was saying that compared to most games we face low stakes and shouldn't deadline rush a lim, but that you are correct that we actively don't want to no lim and should try to keep the game active and moving despite the fact that we could theoretically take months to decide the lim.

Kind of academic at this point given the whole maybe hammer conundrum, but :shrugs:

[Bingle]

Do you think there are two scum among {me, Alisae, Wisdom}? If yes who? If no which pair are the most likely to be TvTing?

I think it is most likely there's exactly 1, and I'm kind of hoping it's Alisae and Taly accidentally hammered and I don't have to do anything to sort em. My confidence there is pretty low.

I feel like I'm relying on Wisdom/Duck/Taly this game but I don't actually trust any of them to be town which is leaving me in this weird headspace of not really having solid reads on anyone.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote Count 1.2

4 Alisae (Wisdom, the worst, Hiraki, imaginality)
1 imaginality (Bingle)
1 the worst (Momrangal)
1 Hiraki (Taly)

Not voting: Alisae

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-23 12:19:23)

[Save The Dragons]

Please try to make sure to preview quotes so that they appear correctly, thank you

[Bingle]

Couldn’t just give me a scumflip, could you?

[Taly]

Clarifying that I did not vote Alisae. That was a preview error I only caught after my post. Apologies for any confusion

I'll get to the thread later.

[Momrangal]

Current hero solve

Taly/imagines

[Momrangal]

I dont understamd the case against Alise

[the worst]

hai pals

[the worst]

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

[the worst]

I think im currently making the 2nd or 3rd best vote, will be around a bunch before end of day. Someone talk me off this ledge.

Ali low 8ball equity unless y'all think e is jestering (I don't; Ali is just innately funny)

[Alisae]

I’m an 8ball if wis is scum

[Taly]

I need someone to sit me down and explain their scumread on Ali because I'm not feeling this.

[Taly]

I think im currently making the 2nd or 3rd best vote, will be around a bunch before end of day. Someone talk me off this ledge.

Ali low 8ball equity unless y'all think e is jestering (I don't; Ali is just innately funny)

Why not go for the vote you think this best?

[the worst]

because i want someone else to do it first so i can sheep them and pretend it was my idea all along

[Alisae]

it is much easier (and has been done much better in other games) that ali would have just ignored votes on his wagon. i don't know if that's explicitly an aliscumtell but it is not an alitowntell

I am playing a very different game then you or Wis might have seen me previously. Taly is the best player on the pl to actually get the most accurate read on me because he straight-up understands me the most.

i know find that the playstyle I have the most success with is to let everyone do whatever it is they want to do, watch their actions, and find scum based on what I think scum would be doing in the gamestate and who is performing those actions.
Truth is, while I don't care if I do die or not, I have a preference of not dying since mid to late game is the most enjoyable parts for me to play as town and they're also the parts of the game that I'm the best at.
Also, I feel like you're not considering is how much time we actually have left. It's not much. If I want to not die, I have to throw a bone and provide something. If I continue to do nothing I just die.

If I was actually scum Wis would be pushing me harder for being obvscum or I pocket Wis. It can't be that hard, I've done it before. Usually when I'm scum I have some kind of agenda. Part of this is why I lean Wisdom > Imaginality right now, I feel like Wis probably shouldn't be reading me as scum, and I feel like I was talking to a scum!RadiantCowbells when the guy was trying to talk me into voting Imaginality. Also, I can't figure out who Imaginality would even be teamed with. Wis + Bingle team makes sense.

Bingle can read me well, I don't believe that guy actually reads me as scum and his actions align with Wisdom so they can be teamed

[Alisae]

VOTE: wisdom

[Hiraki]

It's not much. If I want to not die, I have to throw a bone and provide something. If I continue to do nothing I just die.

this thought was much before the deadline