Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Alisae]

less than 48 hours to me is "I need to do something soon otherwise I die"

[Hiraki]

that's not point - it's not that you haven't done anything - you have. it's that your actions have clearly been to just stand in the background rather than call out anyone to do anything. i think you calling "this is how i play" is a fake excuse this game tbh

[Alisae]

Yes Hiraki, that's what I've had the most success with.

[imaginality]

I need someone to sit me down and explain their scumread on Ali because I'm not feeling this.

Mine boils down to #265, I got scum vibes from Ali reacting so strongly to Wisdom's #262, it makes me believe Wisdom was right with the idea that Alisae was scum watching me and Wisdom TvT. That and her posts around then shifted me from thinking it more likely Wisdom is scum to thinking it more likely Ali is.

Hiraki raised some other points in post 304.

For reference:

if I made a vote right now I feel like I would be coinflipping 50-50.
I need more information

Wis atm I think it's either you or him

Honestly you make me think you're just scum looking at a tvt and eating popcorn with such posts

Like ya you could be town right on scum
or you can be scum trying to bully me into helping you complete your objective

how is going about this in this manor going to get me to help you?

You want to READ me?
Leave me the fuck alone and do what I do best, which is trying to read the actions of the other players in the table.

If you think Imaginality is scum, go fucking vote it and push it. It would be way more productive than voting me while also trying to 1v1 the guy and if people want to vote me you can just swap back anyways if u insist on maintaining this stance that I'm scum

[Hiraki]

Yes Hiraki, that's what I've had the most success with.

no - that explicitly contradicts what you've said and done this game, you even say here

i know find that the playstyle I have the most success with is to let everyone do whatever it is they want to do, watch their actions, and find scum based on what I think scum would be doing in the gamestate and who is performing those actions.

i'm good with 1 & 2 here. i actually think you do this. i think 3 is something that you haven't done but you're trying to make everyone believe that you have done it. you're voting wisdom for...

If I was actually scum Wis would be pushing me harder for being obvscum or I pocket Wis. It can't be that hard, I've done it before. Usually when I'm scum I have some kind of agenda. Part of this is why I lean Wisdom > Imaginality right now, I feel like Wis probably shouldn't be reading me as scum, and I feel like I was talking to a scum!RadiantCowbells when the guy was trying to talk me into voting Imaginality. Also, I can't figure out who Imaginality would even be teamed with. Wis + Bingle team makes sense.

??????????

if i go further back, it's just subtle hints of shade. it's not scumhunting

[Alisae]

if I flip town will you be wary of Wis and Bingle?
I think they're teamed

[Taly]

I just don't understand why scum-

Alisae

would vote

Wisdom

here.

The only town-motivated reason I can think for

Wisdom

to try and get

Imaginality V Alisae

going was to see if they were partners or if

Alisae

would take a bite out of

Imaginality

for survivalism.

Walk me where you think Ali/Imaginality S/S is possible.

Theyre two of my three scumreads
But even disregarding that I dont see where you take issue
If Ali is town

I'm asking him to go for my other scumread and convince me to vote there

If Ali is scum

Im making him vote one of my other scumreads

There's only 2 scum in this game. One of your scumreads must be incorrect.

Your assessments strike as odd to me because your trying to point

Alisae

towards going after and eliminating someone you ALREADY THINK is scum.

Not to figure out if there's a fallacy in your reads.

The threat that you want to eliminate

Alisae

:

Ali you wanna live?
Read my points about Imaginality and vote there

Followed by expecting them to vote there for their survival is largely a behavior I would associate to be scum. So your interaction with

Alisae

felt like a

"gotcha"

moment when they didn't vote

Imaginality

for you.

[Hiraki]

if I flip town will you be wary of Wis and Bingle?
I think they're teamed

not bingle but potentially more of wisdom

[Taly]

Taly, Bingle, Mom
Do you think there are two scum among {me, Alisae, Wisdom}? If yes who? If no which pair are the most likely to be TvTing?

I think there is 1 scum in that group,

Wisdom/Imaginality

S-S is far-fetched, really doubt it's

Alisae

.

I feel weird about how

Wisdom V Imaginality

heated up only accelerated

Alisae's

wagon, who was already voted by one of them. That trajectory doesn't read as sincere or logical because

Alisae

didn't actively fuel one side of the argument over the other. I get that that is what

Wisdom/Imaginality

scumread

Alisae

for, but I don't think it's unlikely that town would refrain from giving a solid stance, or not have one.

Wisdom, you were calling my earlier post manipulative. Ali's #262, now that's manipulative.
I buy the popcorning scum theory.

VOTE: Alisae

Ali warning you not to push her to decide between us too soon makes me think I'm the 8-ball and she's wanting to see if there's enough interest to get me eliminated over you while perfectly happy to see you go also.

How does this thought change with

Alisae

voting

Wisdom

?

Oh also, explain where I "pull Alisae's teeth for a vote when she's at L-1 or L-2" because that's a blatant misrep.

Oh sorry... you didn't pull

Alisae's

, you agreed with

Wisdom's

theory that

Alisae

was scum for not wanting to be pushed into voting you...

What were your expectations of both slots, assuming you considered town motivation for both of them?

[Taly]

because i want someone else to do it first so i can sheep them and pretend it was my idea all along

Is this a clue? It can't be someone currently voted or recently voted?

That only leaves

Bingle

and

Momrangal

?

Other slots have my attention at the moment.

[Alisae]

if I flip town will you be wary of Wis and Bingle?
I think they're teamed

not bingle but potentially more of wisdom

bingle stands out to me because I feel like they're supporting what Wis wants to do

[Bingle]

Bingle can read me well, I don't believe that guy actually reads me as scum

I can (or at least, I could in the long long ago, we haven't played recently other than that game where I replaced into doomed scum) and I'm not. I don't really have a read on you, which is kinda sorta the problem and also kinda sorta why I'm prodding you over your weird takes wrt me (because they're basically the only thing I can prod you over).

If I actually scumread you I'd be voting you instead of my halfassed vote on imaginality.

[Alisae]

I think no one cares about what Taly has to say and Taly is going to go tooth and nail to try to derail the wagon when no one cares.
Very sadge.

[Bingle]

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Bingle]

Am I the only one getting the impression that duck is actively trying to make my brain explode?

[Taly]

I feel like I should change my vote at the moment but I really need more time than 15~ hr to sort

Wisdom/Imaginality

indefinitely.

I still scumread

Hiraki

but it has wavered since he's actually giving some thoughts. My scumread still remains because it feels like their posts consists of asking for a simplified answer to something instead of having some depth of thought, and their reservation for seemingly very confident reads.

Granted, I'm biased in a way against him because I disagree with his solve.

[Alisae]

my reads are shit but luckily for me it seems like they will remain irrelevant in this pl

[Taly]

Why

Bingle

as the most likely partner,

Ali

?

[Alisae]

335

[Save The Dragons]

Vote Count 1.3

4 Alisae (Wisdom, the worst, Hiraki, imaginality)
1 imaginality (Bingle)
1 the worst (Momrangal)
1 Hiraki (Taly)
1 Wisdom (Alisae)

Not voting:

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-23 12:19:23)

[Taly]

Mmm, I can see what you're thinking but by himself,

Bingle

doesn't read as scum to me.

Where are you at with

Hiraki

?

I need to get off tonight soon but I really need

the worst/Imaginality/Wisdom

to be posting so I can have a final vote decision... which will probably be 3-5 hr before deadline when I wake up.

But that's probably too late to vote.

Also reading back and seeing

Imaginality/Wisdom

townreading me, haha, I'm going to feel like shit if I mislim here.

Gun to head at this moment, I'd be voting

Wisdom

. The

"If x is town, I'll ask them to convince me to vote a scumread I have"

is an almost unrealistic level of confbias, seems more likely to be scum. The

Ali

scumread also feels understated but it has been apparent since 71, so it's more difficult to gauge how naturally it generated.

Though, I don't follow

Imaginality's

trajectory, and I am waiting on answers from them. I also disagree with their POV on thinking they're the 8ball in most any scenario or what he intended with his believing

Wisdom

slipped by TMIing a townread on me.

I mean, if

Imaginality

wanted to push the notion that

Wisdom

TMI'ed me as town, then comments like:

It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).

are lukewarm in sorting me, and not congruent with the strength of suspicion towards

Wisdom

. Is this true,

Imaginality

?

[Taly]

I'm going to bed, but I think I've thought as far as my bird brain will take me and I think I've given

Wisdom/Imaginality

enough to address to help me sort.

[the worst]

VOTE: imaginality

hiraki and bingle fascinate me

[Hiraki]

why?

[the worst]

can't put my finger on it