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[Wake1]

LQ, could I have your immediate thoughts on Andre, Nero, and Loftwing?

I have a good reason for suspecting Andre but I am not allowed to say why. Nero, I feel, is not really being that argumentative this game which kind of irks my gut. And then there's Loftwing who said he liked the Andres vote, but then he never even voted there.

I want to know what you're thinking, please.

[LicketyQuickety]

Norwee, what is your read on me?

You know, I don't really see the Town motivation for asking others how they read you.

That's fine. I ask people how they read me sometimes because I'm a different kind of player and I can sometimes make reads based on how they read me.

Norwee gave me nothing.

I get that people have different theories on how to play Mafia. When I first started, the players I played with had expectations that Town played as Town would, and that other things like lying, contradictions, and asking for reads (rather than providing them) were not Town behavior. In my years here I am aware that some don't think Town or Scum behaviors exist, and that only motivation is the thing to hone in on.

I'm not bent on Scum-reading you for it because I can accept that some people play the game differently if they're Town.

LOL. First off, I agree with you. I think Scum and Town have certain behaviors.

Secondly, I don't play weird in the sense that I am too "out there" with HOW I play, but I am "our there" in terms of the reasons I give for my reads. I've asked people all sorts of questions trying to get a good read on them that are completely unrelated to the game, for example. I once asked someone if they were a flat earther in order to try and get a better read on them.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, could I have your immediate thoughts on Andre, Nero, and Loftwing?

I have a good reason for suspecting Andre but I am not allowed to say why. Nero, I feel, is not really being that argumentative this game which kind of irks my gut. And then there's Loftwing who said he liked the Andres vote, but then he never even voted there.

I want to know what you're thinking, please.

Andre I am Lightly TRing because I think I saw there were a number of times he slipped he didn't have TMI. I have not played with them before but I'm not SRing them for seemingly contradicting themselves because I'm waiting to see how that develops in what I would call a narrative read.

Nero I am Lightly SRing or Leaning Scum on him. It's probably a Scum Lean at this point since he is slanking in activity. I do believe Nero has a volume tell. There's also the fact that his reasons for SRing me are really really bad (go back and look if you're interested).

Personally, I like Loftwing. I think they are a bit awkward, but they started out alright I think. They gave takes on four players when other people were mostly just chewing the fat and I like that. It's vibe mostly though. Light TR.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m also not townreading Nero right now.

It’s not an: "holy shit, kill them ASAP" read. But it’s an: "dude, where’s the town at?" read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do have reads on more slots than i’m letting on, but i don’t want to share them because that makes me less predictable for scum.

[DkKoba]

I do have reads on more slots than i’m letting on, but i don’t want to share them because that makes me less predictable for scum.

good good... more people for the koba school of townplay

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wish i could see more of your scumplay.
You’re like always town except in that one game where you hardbussed your teammate in the first 5 pages and then went on to sweep solo.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

[Kerset]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

With 16 players alive it takes 9 to eliminate

Andresvmb (3): NorwegianBoyEE, Titus, Wake88,
ssbm_Kyouko (3): DkKoba, LicketyQuickety, Almost50,
Almost50 (2): GrandpaMo, Rannygazoo,
LicketyQuickety (2): Nero Cain, Dwlee99,
DkKoba (1): ssbm_Kyouko,
Hakai (1): Loftwing,
Wake88 (1): Hakai,
Loftwing (1): Andresvmb,
Titus (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Nero Cain (0):
MargotRosa (0):
Kop (0):
Rannygazoo (0):
NorwegianBoyEE (0):

Not voting (2): MargotRosa, Kop,

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-02 17:00:00)

[LicketyQuickety]

Can someone tell me if Wake is usually this... weird?

[DkKoba]

@granpamo @ranny pls unvote a50 they are town(and so are you 2)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, which one is this for?

[Hakai]

rannny did call it, I remember seeing them subtly call it out lol

I see.

a50 is a pretty polarized player in terms of town/scum meta. very much a person who rands scum and just doesnt like to post very much. easily cleared here for me.

titus i've already explained - that's a slot im very willing to bin for today because their posting feels like her town meta.

norwee has the town norwee energy. If i'm wrong on him now I'll find him as scum later this dayphase so im not even remotely worried about that read right now.

ranny thought process is very plainly town to me - and they're operating fairly complex.

all of these are holistic interpretations of their respective ISOs so far so there aren't any really "specific" posts I point to to say they are town.

Even if Koba is scum most of these reads are likely genuine.

im actually negative utility and its meta to claim it daystart - are you trying to imply its >rand scum by saying that?

Yeah, we get it, you're negative utility. Repeating yourself isn't gonna make it more special.

VOTE: wake

I dont think dwlee has this fire as scum. End of p10 rn. Hasn't looked like this since I was pushing them in that mini with mathblade we ended up winning

Yeah, but his reasons are trash.

That's not a scumtell.

Koba I think your POE is ass and you could be Scum. Fight me?

this rebuttal is about as potent as a wet badger

minus your own name, explain why it sucks.

Why is Ranny Town? Or Titus? And how is A50’s content conclusive either way? You TR Titus but think I need to be in the POE? How have you decided on Norwegian’s alignment?

Your POE is bad right now. At the very least it seems to have been set way too early.

This post isn't bad.

its not good at all because its trying to discredit townreads rather than try to find them as town.

Mmm I dont think this is the case. There's not really anything there

to

discredit, and you're also asking him to explain why it sucks so for you to say the response is bad feels like scum-motivated entrapment. You literally asked him to do it.

VOTE: Koba

ok come vote hakai with me lets compromise

i want to veto quick d1 here

but....

VOTE: kyouko

VOTE: kyo

meta good because people are not all the same and there are different tells for everyone

Strongly agreed.

VOTE: kyouko

surprised_pikachu

Bad post. I don't believe you are not caught up.

Does scum actually lie about this?

[Rannygazoo]

@granpamo @ranny pls unvote a50 they are town(and so are you 2)

Hard to say no to a request like that so I’ll look harder for others to vote, but I don’t like A50s constant wink wink nudge nudge

Gotta rate your vibe because I haven't seen anything AI yet and my instinct is to SR that. Usually you'll sprinkle something useful or at least insightful in.

Seriously??

FoS Kyouko. You should know why already (and so should Nero, Wake, Titus & Andres)

If there’s something that we’re supposed to know, go ahead and say it. Keeping your reads to yourself is one thing, but signaling like this is another.

[DkKoba]

happy scumday

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh, which one is this for?

GrandpaMo asked for it yesterday but I didnt finish before getting off desktop for the day

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me winning a previous game as scum by hardbussing both of my lacking teammates and winning solo was directly correlated by me being so impressed by Kobas play i copied it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, i’m rambling.

I’m fine with an wagon on either of Andres/SSB

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still prefer Andres.

[Wake1]

Anyway, i’m rambling.

I’m fine with an wagon on either of Andres/SSB

Eh, too early.

Two players haven't even posted yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are always players that haven’t posted yet.
Should we do nothing because one lurker isn’t going to log on for 5 weeks?

[Andresvmb]

@Koba are you Town? If you are, we can actually partner up for once.

weird thing to ask and you know why

I have to ask. I don’t want to have to fight you.

Fine, you’ll have to figure out my alignment over time then, and I will have to figure out yours. You really could have just told me you know.

OK so what is your Scum meta like?

I know you're a lurker but is that as Town or Scum?

The reason I'm asking is because you've got a ton of posts in this game already.

Please explain this to me Andre.

I don’t know that describing my Scum meta is of any use here when you don’t trust my alignment. What I can do is link you to a few discussions around it that I thought were decent when it came to my Scum meta, which might be more useful.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12051727
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12089528

I don’t like to lurk as either alignment for the record. I just get left behind sometimes. What you’re seen is just life getting in the way. I had more time here to start reading from the very beginning, so I’ve been more active. If you look through my history, you’ll see various levels of engagement as Town. Which is why I questioned how many of my games you had actually read - because if you had read more games, you would have quickly realized that I can be quite active when I want to be.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Norwegian

[Wake1]

There are always players that haven’t posted yet.
Should we do nothing because one lurker isn’t going to log on for 5 weeks?

I didn't say that.

[Andresvmb]

ah yes scum motivated entrapment where I later even don't push people to vote there.

I would argue you didn’t entrap me.

But c’mon Koba you know better. I’m not seeing the reasons for your reads of certain players at all because they’re leaving lazy votes on my slot and I’m Town. Norwegian and Titus just decided to make crappy early arguments and double down on them, but you TR that? What will happen when I flip Town then? Will you wake up or continue pushing DW or LQ aside who I would argue at this point are quite likely to be Town.

I don’t know what to do about your argument with Kyouko. Kyouko has basically SR me every time they’re Town, and either ignored or defended me as Scum. So I’m always wary when I start seeing Kyouko make assumptions about my alignment when attacking other players. But this does feel a bit different - so it’s possible they’ve just read me right.