Large normal 236 [Game over]

[Andresvmb]

also you know a50 has an activity tell lmao. you should not be trying to discredit him if hes actually posting like this early on.
everytime ive seen a50 scum he likes to go under the radar. Until i see a better argument post flips for him being scum there is 0 convincing me that he is scum at all.

I don’t know this at all actually. I haven’t played with A50 nearly enough to believe this to be true throughout. I’m just reading their content here, and the quantity of posts isn’t outweighing the fact that they’re largely devoid of any content.

Which still matches their town meta so pee pee poo poo

How is this hard to fake as Scum? Please answer that then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In my memories i voted Andres first.

[Dwlee99]

LN 233 was my first game with Kyo and I did not read her correctly this is true

[DkKoba]

well you are discrediting my read bc i didnt include them in a poe at a point in was letting her believe i townread her lol
declared it daystart that i would let her be locktown no matter my real read on her LOL

[DkKoba]

also you know a50 has an activity tell lmao. you should not be trying to discredit him if hes actually posting like this early on.
everytime ive seen a50 scum he likes to go under the radar. Until i see a better argument post flips for him being scum there is 0 convincing me that he is scum at all.

I don’t know this at all actually. I haven’t played with A50 nearly enough to believe this to be true throughout. I’m just reading their content here, and the quantity of posts isn’t outweighing the fact that they’re largely devoid of any content.

Which still matches their town meta so pee pee poo poo

How is this hard to fake as Scum? Please answer that then.

doesnt matter dont care

"Could be scum" is garbage reasoning. And i have especially distinct disdain for it because it how i get mislimmed in games.

[Andresvmb]

You also declared that a TR of me by “going against the grain” that you took back while declaring said POE. So how do I guess what is genuine and what isn’t then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why that matter?

[Andresvmb]

"Could be scum" is garbage reasoning. And i have especially distinct disdain for it because it how i get mislimmed in games.

This is a reach. I’m not arguing A50 is Scum! I’m arguing A50 is just null, and shouldn’t be hard locked as Town!

Maybe the background behind what I’m doing isn’t clear. Two players have already sheeped your read of Kyouko. You could very well be right. I really don’t know. What I do know could very well happen is that certain players get lazy, and they decide that they can replace their need to think with your reads. And then they just run through your POE and, if for some reason some of the names you’ve left out are Scum, or several of the ones you’ve included are Town, we lose. Because people listen to you, and most Town players are just that, lazy.

If you’re Scum well I don’t know if you would use your ability to read a particular player to your advantage quite like this. But you are wrong about me, and I am one of the leading wagons. So maybe rethink where I’m coming from.

[Andresvmb]

Why that matter?

That’s not for you.

[Dwlee99]

I like Andres for town

[Dwlee99]

ssbm_Kyouko
MargotRosa
Titus
Kop
Hakai
Loftwing
LicketyQuickety
NorwegianBoyEE


Poe

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Margot

[Andresvmb]

there's content in andres' posts though that *is* pretty off for andres' town meta - which is where I'm seeing like concern in his slot.

Like what? Quote it. If you really want to express a SR of my slot, actually back it up. Because this is garbage.

You still haven’t answered this.

[Almost50]

If there’s something that we’re supposed to know, go ahead and say it. Keeping your reads to yourself is one thing, but signaling like this is another.

Who are "we"? Your name isn't on the list, so NO.. there's nothing YOU are supposed to know.

[Almost50]

So we have 2 players who have yet to post, but we are some 21 hours away from the prods deadline. This especially makes it hard to complete a map of "possible scum team formations" (and I do usually theorize about the whole team formation on D1, even when I don't broadcast it).

So far I have 3 confident TRs, 2 Town leans, and 2 Scum leans. Everyone else is one degree of Null or another. I'll probably hop on anyone's wagon provided they're not in my 5 green guesses.

[Andresvmb]

@A50 do you want to share your reads or no? Because that would actually be helpful. I’m not looking for long explanations - just how you see the game.

[Almost50]

OK.. in no particular order: Wake/Dwlee/Koba/Norwee/Nero are either TRs or Town leans. Kyouko & Granpa are Scum leans. Everyone else in null of some sort.

[Andresvmb]

Who are your confident TRs?

[Almost50]

There's a reason I mixed all 5 up in one pool. I am not going into details about whom I confidently read or why.

[Andresvmb]

Provided you don’t expect others to express detailed views of the game or the reasons for their reads, fine by me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

[Andresvmb]

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

Here’s my take - the reason I haven’t defended Kyouko aggressively despite seriously questioning Koba is because if I’m wrong about Koba (and I can be - Koba is notoriously hard to read) is because Kyouko admitted that Koba has their number, and yet they’re not screaming

hard

to get Koba executed. There’s not a whole lot of outrage in 461 or 480 for example. Just some surprise, a rather meek admission that Koba does have Kyouko’s number, and some strategic discussion about how Koba might go about using their 100% read rate to their advantage as Scum.

I am comfortable applying the burden of proficiency standard to a select

few

players. The number is small, and since I haven’t played here enough most of those players are in the old forum I used to play in. Koba is in that list. I have a feeling Kyouko agrees that the standard should apply to Koba too. If that’s indeed the case, then why aren’t they more outraged that Koba is reading them wrong and hard dunking on them? And why are they letting me take all the heat here? I’ve been in games with players I know can easily tell when I’m Town. I know how that feels like. And when they’re hedging on my slot (and I’m acting like my usual Town self), or even worse, calling me Scum, I obviously get suspicious. I’m always skeptical even if you have me right, but with some players it becomes more obvious when they should be reading you correctly but aren’t.

At the same time, I have seen Koba get some things wrong (of course, none of us are perfect). But after screaming this loud for an execution? I think that’s maybe a bit rare. If we flip Kyouko, and they flip Scum, Koba is going to get NK’ed and well, that’ll be that. But if they’re wrong? Then what? That’s going to be hard. What I’ve done in the past in situations like this is advocated for the “1v1” to get sorted, and go from there. I don’t know that I’m the one who should be making this argument. But I think it should be considered.

[DkKoba]

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

Here’s my take - the reason I haven’t defended Kyouko aggressively despite seriously questioning Koba is because if I’m wrong about Koba (and I can be - Koba is notoriously hard to read) is because Kyouko admitted that Koba has their number, and yet they’re not screaming

hard

to get Koba executed. There’s not a whole lot of outrage in 461 or 480 for example. Just some surprise, a rather meek admission that Koba does have Kyouko’s number, and some strategic discussion about how Koba might go about using their 100% read rate to their advantage as Scum.

I am comfortable applying the burden of proficiency standard to a select

few

players. The number is small, and since I haven’t played here enough most of those players are in the old forum I used to play in. Koba is in that list. I have a feeling Kyouko agrees that the standard should apply to Koba too. If that’s indeed the case, then why aren’t they more outraged that Koba is reading them wrong and hard dunking on them? And why are they letting me take all the heat here? I’ve been in games with players I know can easily tell when I’m Town. I know how that feels like. And when they’re hedging on my slot (and I’m acting like my usual Town self), or even worse, calling me Scum, I obviously get suspicious. I’m always skeptical even if you have me right, but with some players it becomes more obvious when they should be reading you correctly but aren’t.

At the same time, I have seen Koba get some things wrong (of course, none of us are perfect). But after screaming this loud for an execution? I think that’s maybe a bit rare. If we flip Kyouko, and they flip Scum, Koba is going to get NK’ed and well, that’ll be that. But if they’re wrong? Then what? That’s going to be hard. What I’ve done in the past in situations like this is advocated for the “1v1” to get sorted, and go from there. I don’t know that I’m the one who should be making this argument. But I think it should be considered.

Consider reading through the games I linked where I did correctly read them - I posted it somewhere in my ISO. Plus you know what.

[Andresvmb]

@Koba and you should consider answering my 587.

[DkKoba]

Spoiler:

@Koba are you Town? If you are, we can actually partner up for once.

The only read I can currently express is that I have a mild positive Lean on Hakai. That’s it.

How come?

I just liked the reasoning as to why they were withholding a TR on you based on the fact that you claimed negative utility. It wasn’t entirely superficial. That’s really it, just an early guess.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I had to do this. The name is just asking for a vote.

In other words, you're just happy to see me?

Your avatar is amazing. I’m definitely going to UNVOTE: .

Opportunistic Scum is opportunistic.

Wut?

Whatever. Let’s move on.

Koba I think your POE is ass and you could be Scum. Fight me?

these all gave me a weird feeling.

It's probably now blatant based on my tone but my read has since softened since I decided to crank it up on Kyouko - Biggest thing is that non posters could both just be scum and then its unlikely you are here from that.