Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[Greeting]

I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

That is correct, the nolongersupersecret info I may or may not have heard led me to deduce there is a Jailkeeper in the game.

[Titus]

Alright, so we have 8 alive. 3 conftown.

If the jailkeeper claims, then we get 3 conftown today.
Miselimination, 7 alive
Nightkill, 6 alive --- 2 conftown
Miselimination, 5 alive 2 conftown
4 alive, melo 1 conftown

If a kill gets blocked tonight
7 alive bc mis elimination
JK succeeds, 7 alive
Miselimination
JK dies, 5 alive, 2 conftown two scum

2 conftown elo.

[Titus]

No wait only 1 scum. 1 conftown elo.

[Titus]

No wait, the JK could have jailed scum, my math is off completely

[Titus]

I do think the jailkeeper outing themselves and who they jailed is a good move but people may disagree.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

I don't like this from Titus. @greeting don't get manipulated from context here.

Because I thought the same thing that Jk could have been the choice >> that doesn't necessarily mean that person is JK. they still never fully claimed and I was still confused at the moment.

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

[RCEnigma]

I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

I don't like this from Titus. @greeting don't get manipulated from context here.

Because I thought the same thing that Jk could have been the choice >> that doesn't necessarily mean that person is JK. they still never fully claimed and I was still confused at the moment.

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

Titus didn't force Greeting to claim JK, they aren't even claiming JK.

Titus friendly neighbored greeting last night then asked Greeting if they received it today. Greeting confirmed, what are you even on about?

[RCEnigma]

The eod stuff I was talking about was Dorsey's vote shift onto hockey for the pocketing comment. It felt overblown even at the time but doesnt make sense at all. The only reason hockey went down there is we let deadline make a decision for us.

Dorsey could have easily voted kennyk, a slot that they have 0 strong opinion of vs a slot that they argued to be town in the 50/50 with greeting. If you think TL was the town in the 50/50 why would you settle for an eod elim on them over a slot you are having trouble reading anyway?

Dorsey pretty much lined up with every read hockey was coming out with and said ehhhh let's elim it anyway. Sketch.

But I'd rather talk to always right now. Do you want to talk about your softs yesterday?

[RCEnigma]

Hold off on JK outing just yet, we need to talk more about the setup. We can use it to our advantage. My first instinct is to keep jk unclaimed and they just crumb their n1 and at some point their n2. This keeps rolecop from making the kill since they need to hunt down JK.

Whoever the JK Target was can be ruled out as rolecop but can't be ruled out as scum fwiw.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: unvote
Don't ask me how long it took to even just get the tags right. I'm getting old.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm in the middle of compiling a larger post atm. My thoughts tend to be chaotic so I'm trying to put them in order.

Or a very lucky Doctor that saved someone? That'd be nuts

Technical possibilities are no kill, doctor or jailkeeper.

But mafia no kill is surely very rare.

This must have been an act by a Jailkeeper. Good news for us, but the downside is that we get less reads. Thanks, whomever you are.

Nonetheless, TL/HockeyFan flipping town is disappointing, but their death may give us something to work on.

Did you get any message last night?

Ehh. I didn't want to be too explicit with it in order to not have you killed. But since you're asking directly,

a friendly bird told me that Titus is town

.

wtf is this?

are you outting?

Now I'm starting to think whether I have been tricked into accidentally breaking the rules.

You did not. You shouldn't out (although it's totally legal) if someone doesn't ask. I asked you to out because your knowledge of a jailkeeper would have meant you were the jk or scum otherwise.

I don't like this from Titus. @greeting don't get manipulated from context here.

Because I thought the same thing that Jk could have been the choice >> that doesn't necessarily mean that person is JK. they still never fully claimed and I was still confused at the moment.

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

Titus didn't force Greeting to claim JK, they aren't even claiming JK.

Titus friendly neighbored greeting last night then asked Greeting if they received it today. Greeting confirmed, what are you even on about?

oh that makes so much fucking sense

i was so confused. i really forgot about friendly neighbor being in this game lol

was i the only one that didnt catch that? i thought titus was like asking greeting regarding his claim because titus was pressuring greetings like they were tryna make them claim jk or scum? like thats what titus said.

i still need to hear directly from titus

[GrandpaMo]

reminder to come back later

[GrandpaMo]

@mod: I will be V/LA as well through Monday as well (i will probably try to still talk in the thread but will be limited).

[RCEnigma]

Titus could have been more nuanced about it but I think she wanted direct confirmation. Greeting could have definitely been the JK Target making them the vanilla scum. I feel that's what she was getting towards at least.

[AlwaysNever]

The eod stuff I was talking about was Dorsey's vote shift onto hockey for the pocketing comment. It felt overblown even at the time but doesnt make sense at all. The only reason hockey went down there is we let deadline make a decision for us.

Dorsey could have easily voted kennyk, a slot that they have 0 strong opinion of vs a slot that they argued to be town in the 50/50 with greeting. If you think TL was the town in the 50/50 why would you settle for an eod elim on them over a slot you are having trouble reading anyway?

Dorsey pretty much lined up with every read hockey was coming out with and said ehhhh let's elim it anyway. Sketch.

But I'd rather talk to always right now. Do you want to talk about your softs yesterday?

Yeah it's getting really hard to excuse Dorsey's plays now, for me personally, but I wanna see what they have to say first before I put them on the list of people I'm voting today

To answer your question, no softs here sir, anything you might've interpret is just that, an interpretation, nothing more

[Titus]

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

I'm a friendly neighbor.

There was no nightkill.

The only protective with a friendly neighbor is a jailkeeper.

[Titus]

Also Greeting confirmed me as town soo

[kennyk]

Sorry been busy with life. Also, how could I be partners with Greeting when we literally put each other at l-1? I'm perfectly willing to die btw if it gets Greeting/scum out.

also i claim vt. Honestly, can't think of much to say. Greeting is confirmed scum in my eyes, and I think the last scum is between grandpa and uhuh. besides that, not much else I can think of.

"confirmed scum" on day one is quite heavy stuff. I could live with heavy scum lean or something along that line. But confrimed? No.

[kennyk]

Also I'll probably vote Greeting over TL. I don't know if low post count coincides with being an easy target.

VOTE: Greeting

You haven’t voiced any suspicion of me and now you’re suddenly down to vote me out? Conveniently, when TL The Legend is at E-1?

That was exactly my reaction.

[AlwaysNever]

That's.... weird. Was that nokill deliberate?

Lol you look like you fucked up in mafiachat and came to the thread to explain ur grief.

fwiw, mafia never no kills night 1

it gives them no advantage on doing so -- the only time it would be valid is only if they are setting up a later claim or future claim but still that is very high risk play low reward hence why mafia never goes for that play and rather no kill in later days.

That's a fair assumption
But yeah it is weird, I just want to point that out

Either way, we don't have anything to go on now, so it's like we're back at D1 again like RCE said lmao

Btw RCE, you said you have some eod things you want to discuss post flip, so is that still a thing or?

ur my top town

no pocketing please

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Kennyk's posts made me slightly better in making dew's slot into at least null-townish, but it remains to be seen still.


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No wait, the JK could have jailed scum, my math is off completely

if JK jailed scum, wouldn't the other scum be able to do the attack anyway? or nah?

Hold off on JK outing just yet, we need to talk more about the setup. We can use it to our advantage. My first instinct is to keep jk unclaimed and they just crumb their n1 and at some point their n2. This keeps rolecop from making the kill since they need to hunt down JK.

Whoever the JK Target was can be ruled out as rolecop but can't be ruled out as scum fwiw.

exactly....
are you the rolecop by any chance?

I don't know why you were so quick to assume that could have been jk >> I feel like you could be scum for pressuring a slot to out -- ur justification is still not completely justified due to confbias.

I'm a friendly neighbor.

There was no nightkill.

The only protective with a friendly neighbor is a jailkeeper.

or tracker, if the mafia no-kill, which is still possible but it is a questionable decision if they do

[Dorsey]

Dew/kennyk - Why didn't you confirm until you realized you hadn't been killed? Also, your catch-up looks more like busywork to build post count than actual game assessment. Regarding Post 448, Post 219 didn't come out of nowhere, as expressed in Post 223 - UhUhWaitAndSee's ISO was lackluster. You did the same thing in Post 468, posting half of an old argument without addressing my rebuttal - I'd already expressed my dissatisfaction with Greeting prior to that Post 286, as can be seen in Post 290.

Greeting - I like the way you tried to soft Titus's claim.

UhUh - AlwaysNever highlighted in Post 391 that almost half of UhUhWaitAndSee's posts are responses to me - I feel this is because he's scum and therefore has been allowed to active lurk with no scrutiny. Even today, his go-to is to post a blurb about game mechanics as opposed to opinions of player slots.

RCE - Why didn't RCE start today with his 'eod postflip' stuff instead of that naked vote? Also, he's lying - I didn't vote HockeyFan over a "pocketing" attempt, I voted him because his wagon had more interaction and accountable history than kennyk's. I also voted it because he jumped over several applicable candidates for elim (my elim pool) to just vote another lurker. I also never said Hockey was town - I said I'd prefer to elim Greeting over Hockey, which was true, but the wagon wasn't on Greeting. (This is why I say just because RCE posts regularly doesn't make him town.)

Titus - Can't be scum unless Greeting is also scum. (Is it coincidence that RCE and GrandpaMo didn't want to kill her? I'm assuming people are friends IRL or something?)

Grandpa - What was the good reason you cited in Post 403 for never voting Titus Day 1?

Always - We're not at D1 again, we have a flip. Also, there's nothing to "excuse" about my play - what are your issues with it?

Still think scum is in here [UhUhWaitAndSee/RCEnigma/Titus]. If it's not Titus, then it's still one of the other two.

[RCEnigma]

Also, how am I pocketing HockeyFan when he used the elims I proposed first and then went with neither?
VOTE: HockeyFan

Uhhhhh...... You know the things you've posted don't go away right?

[RCEnigma]

Titus - Can't be scum unless Greeting is also scum. (Is it coincidence that RCE and GrandpaMo didn't want to kill her? I'm assuming people are friends IRL or something?)

Nope, never met Titus in my life. However I have played with Titus before and she is easier to sort as the game goes on. Regardless of how many times I called Titus town day 1 I can't be sure and I did waffle a bit mid day. I can feign confidence though and it was slightly self preservation. Why are you upset that Titus!town isn't elimmable?

[RCEnigma]

a brownie point for you, keeping my one eye on you still

I'll keep one eye on you at all times

If they weren't specifically tracker softs I wouldn't necessarily press the issue. I think if the JK was on Always then it's worth outing since it would be a psuedo red check. If not then don't.

As of right now I think if Dorsey flips red always is town. Walking home right now so once I get some time I'll give more thought to that.

[Dorsey]

Yes, which is why I post them, because they prove my point.

Also, at what point did I say I was upset about Titus being confirmed town? Your angleshooting is interesting and worthy of note.