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[T3]

UNVOTE: iv
I'm liking iv's reaction.

[T3]

why is salsa hard town and why are you voting a null town?

mindmelt
cuz

This is approaching performance art levels of scummy now

Every time I've seen extreme conviction of me being scum it's almost always been from town?
I still don't like Ari's posts though.

[T3]

Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.

what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townie

It's not actually super townie yet but like

T3

said, 74 likely comes from town!

Gamma

as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.

MINDMELD ON 74

T3 this is the only reason you TR Salsa?

Multiple mindmelds.

[T3]

VOTE: margot

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Yeah I'm kind of not up for waiting 24-48 hrs just for 786 and 787 again.

[Not_Mafia]

I have no scumreads

[datsi]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

[Roden]

There isn't much of a case, three scum read players are just consolidating their votes on Margot.

[Datisi]

VOTE: t3

too many slots feel like mud right now, this game is tiring. i feel weird feelings about mew? like he's plenty active in the game but i cannot figure out what he's trying to do and whether he's trying to do anything in the first place. it's weird.

also, i am kind of disappointed nobody tried to interact with my discussion of kyouko's case. or to convince me she's town. oh well.

datisi i feel like we have some kind of opposing reads so id like to reconcile that a bit?

i think T3 is townish for reasons explained

mew at least seems like very open with his thoughts and is willing to explain everything i guess and not really playing in a lamist way so that slot seemed fine on gut? isn't it good that you can't really find an "agenda" from him so to speak?

if ur that disappointed on the kyo thing can u quote me and ill take a look?

alright, let's dance

my t3 read/vote stems from a few things. one is recent meta of games i have played with him (mini normal 2226, town vs mbos 13, scum). mainly, in the town game it was kind of obvious very quickly that he's town because he was putting in genuine effort to meta me, actually made a case, etc. in mbos 13, i did townread him during d1-2, but most of his iso here kinda reminds me of that there, like there's obvious "solving" and "giving opinions on posts" and stuff but i'm missing the actual passion behind it, it feels kinda half-assed

now i know this has some odds of being wrong since meta changes from game to game etc but it's the mode i'm operating on rn, and also his vote of you was a bit oof so. i reread your points for townreading him in 694 and honestly the only thing i can say is "/shrug" because you might as well be right, but i absolutely do not see it

i can't find an "agenda" from mew sure, but frankly part of his posts reminded him of me when playing scum, when i'm not sure which direction to push the game in or i'm not sure if i'm in danger of dying, so i make longer posts detailing my thought process that don't exactly lead anywhere or shake the ground too much. like he's explaining everything sure, but it feels like there's something missing there. again this might be party unfair of me because saying that he doesn't have reads is wrong and i did like some of his early responses, but. call it gut i guess.

the kyouko thing was 629.

[Datisi]

okay
i feel like i'm struggling this game because a lot of slots fall into the "you did some not good and not bad and all together it's a mess" category of reads and that's bad

@aristeia, what's your reads looking like right now? thoughts on iv since his recent batch of posts? townreading everyone outside of your solve, or?

[T3]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504 is my most recent scumgame.

[Aristeia]

Currently my readlist is like this:

Sweeter than the first Dewdrops of the Morning:

Datisi

Foamy Ocean Waves upon the Sand:

Dwlee, Salsa, Kyouko

A Forest Blooming in the Springtime:

Margot, Mewtaph

The taste of ash in the air after a Great Fire:

Datsi, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504 is my most recent scumgame.

i don't do second hand meta
elaborating on your existing reads would do you more favours

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

what do you think of iv's recent batch of posts?

[Aristeia]

I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.

[Aristeia]

Also I found it weird that his emotional reaction feels very controlled, he seems to be only getting upset at certain people voting for him.

[innocentvillager]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

[innocentvillager]

if you are relying on datisi’s experience here why am I still deep in your scumreads? I’m confused

[innocentvillager]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

[innocentvillager]

nvm it’s been only been 2.5 days just ignore my last part I shouldn’t be a hypocrite that’s bad

[datsi]

There isn't much of a case, three scum read players are just consolidating their votes on Margot.

you might wanna check over that math again, it's just T3 and mew

[datsi]

actually nvm I somehow failed to notice IV's vot ein the last VC

[Mewtaph]

okay
i feel like i'm struggling this game because a lot of slots fall into the "you did some not good and not bad and all together it's a mess" category of reads and that's bad

@aristeia, what's your reads looking like right now? thoughts on iv since his recent batch of posts? townreading everyone outside of your solve, or?

I'm not exactly sure where your reads are but I can do more if that'll help your read on me. I think I would approach this game similarly as scum though I don't really give a shit about town accurately solving the game as long as me and preferably my partner's look like they have longevity in the game. It seems my town reads aren't consolidating so okay, here is a longer post.

T3 seems more like a hub for all the scum players to park their vote. Now I don't actually think everyone voting them is scum but I think he's largely a distraction.

On Kyouko, I read what you wrote on them and I largely agree if that makes sense. I don't know if my townreads exactly lines up in the realm of things scum!Kyouko wouldn't do and I want to relook my read there at some point, maybe even D1 if you're specifically looking there for potential scum.

I actually like Aristeia's slot. I don't really want to lynch there today.

datsi's whole comment about 5/7 got me thinking, but not really against T3. I still don't understand why people are scumreading T3. I read all the posts regarding him I think. There's residue reasoning from the start of the game as vibes/gut and it's nearing the point of the day where you actually need to make a decision. Given the reasoning I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to ever vote T3 here from my stance on them.

And Roden, you can discredit the people voting Margot but you know that calling that wagon the scum team is incredulous. Or maybe it's not, maybe you really think that all three of us are scum waging Margot but if you think that lol whatever.

[Mewtaph]

Frankly it doesn't particularly seem that anyone has a strong read on Margot (but she got some early votes for her early ISO). If your read isn't that consolidated on Margot, then a wagon being there seems pretty productive imo. At least more productive than me keeping my vote on no-one but it's not exactly like the time we have in the day is infinite so yes I'm going to vote a slot I'm not sure about to hopefully kick them into high gear. Now that doesn't actually seem likely so if that's the case can we talk more at least so we can get a better idea of where our heads are at in terms of day 1 scumreads? If not scumreads, then strong townreads please. Doesn't need to be a comprehensive read list on the game.

[Roden]

I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.

Exactly why we need to run him up and get an actual claim out of him. I don't like that Mew and T3 wanted IV out until he was brought into claim range, but then got cold feet and swapped over to Margot therefore making all of their pressure pointless and showy. If they want to keep fake pressuring people we can 100% just vote T3 or Mew instead, as I don't see any reason to vote out Margot before any of the three that are voting her.

[Roden]

IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.