AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[Skybird]

Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.

[Skybird]

Skybird are you seriously sticking with the "you're scum because you forgot you moved your vote?"

Yes, do you often forget who you are voting for? You seem to be getting pretty upset about this for you to be town.

[Taroumaru]

FOS: Taro

I think he's buddying me again. Gamma, you're the expert due to

that game

. Is he?

Yea I am.I think it is funny to play along as Tarou thIS way

[Taroumaru]

So I will be your double voter till one of us is no more ^_^

[Dwlee99]

Skybird are you seriously sticking with the "you're scum because you forgot you moved your vote?"

Yes, do you often forget who you are voting for? You seem to be getting pretty upset about this for you to be town.

How often I do it is completely divorced from whether or not it's scum!indicative

[Yuki Takeya]

FOS: Taro

I think he's buddying me again. Gamma, you're the expert due to

that game

. Is he?

Yea I am.I think it is funny to play along as Tarou thIS way

If I vote you, will you vote yourself?

[Taroumaru]

FOS: Taro

I think he's buddying me again. Gamma, you're the expert due to

that game

. Is he?

Yea I am.I think it is funny to play along as Tarou thIS way

If I vote you, will you vote yourself?

Arf...

[Gamma Emerald]

FOS: Taro

I think he's buddying me again. Gamma, you're the expert due to

that game

. Is he?

I’m somewhere between “doubt it” and “not sure” rn

@Taroumaru

who do you townread at this current moment?

[superbowl9]

Thanks A50. I like you for town.

I feel A50 is right but this post pings scum.

Scum or poor play?

[Yuki Takeya]

FOS: Taro

I think he's buddying me again. Gamma, you're the expert due to

that game

. Is he?

Yea I am.I think it is funny to play along as Tarou thIS way

If I vote you, will you vote yourself?

Arf...

I am sorry...

[Kop]

Skybird are you seriously sticking with the "you're scum because you forgot you moved your vote?"

Yes, do you often forget who you are voting for? You seem to be getting pretty upset about this for you to be town.

Do you think that it's scum indicative forgetting where your vote is?

I know you're wary of him and have been mentioning him before this, but does this cement your read on him?

[Kop]

Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.

You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.

[Kop]

Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.

You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.

Which I find quite scummy.

VOTE: Skybird

[Almost50]

FYI. I have replaced Kitty.

As if I needed more confusion.

[Gypyx]

votecount 1.8

Kop (5) :

MegAzumarill ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus ; yuki Takeya ;Taroumaru

Momrangal (2) :

NDmath ; Almost50

Skybird (2) :

Dwlee99 ; Kop

Almost50 (2) :

superbowl9 ; Momrangal

Aristophanes (2) :

Unwnd ; Dragon Of The West

Dragon Of The West (1) :

Aristophanes

Unwnd (1) :

Radical Rat

Dwlee99 (1) :

Skybird

Not Voting (0) :

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone

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prodding Radical Rat / Aristophanes

[Radical Rat]

I'm here, sorry, I didn't really have much new to say last time I checked in, and then got really busy.

There is definitely content in the past few pages I have opinions about now though, and I will put those into words and post them later today. For now, I just got off work and really want to go to sleep.

[unwnd]

Kop's catchup is very mediocre, but the people who are choosing to treat his mediocrity as something special given the gamestate is troubling

[Kop]

Kop, I haven't decided whether RR is scum or town. I just said that I wasn't interested in voting him right now when I moved my vote.

You moved your vote onto someone that you felt wasn't playing the game, and happens to be the highest wagon available.

Disregard this post, I got it wrong. I must have seen your vote on Momrangel, but not moved it to Dwlee. And I happen to be the highest wagon available.

[Kop]

A50, I understand what you are saying in post 424 but it bugs me. Do you want to vote Mom and Kitty just to save the mod some trouble or do you have an alternative motif?

I have nothing else against Kitty tbh. Mom however is another story. This game opened on September 20 (check Yuki's 1st post). Mom contributed 5 posts since, none of which I'd call a good post. OK.. to save me a lot of tricky talk that could have me step on the wrong side of the rules.. have a look:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... 0&sr=posts

I mean I think the worms problem is real, but what of the time between this game started and she found out about the dogs problem?

But yeah, activity is key for both. We can't afford 2 inactive slots because that would hinder our abilities to wagon someone we suspect is scum, so even if they're Town they're dead weight, and I'd rather get rid of them sooner than later (I hope there's a Vig out there, so we can treat D2 as if it was D1 in a 15-players game and move on)

I'd rather push for replacements, if possible. I do agree with the points that you made about the deadweight being a problem, but if they are town, then I would actually like them to be replaced and show that they are town. If they are scum, then great but it still doesn't help because we can't draw any associations because they never contributed, or socialized with anyone, that could help us find partners. But yeah, if it went down that road, we can treat day 2 as day 1, effectively, but would rather replacements, than wasting kills.

I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.

For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.

I'm probably out of touch in terms of how mafia is played nowadays. But back in my time, being a miller, logical play is to come out with it early, to prevent any WIFOM later in the day, if he is investigated. But he could easily be hiding behind a fake claim, so I'm not going to read him as town, until he shows his hand and shows that he is town. He also doesn't get that universal town read because RR said that role was the one he submitted. They both could easily be scum, in this situation.

Spoiler:

Documenting thoughts in a notepad that I'll be slowly revealing over time

Don't like reading? Too fucking bad. Time to be a selfish bastard

I'm going to try and ignore most claims because they're not provable. Doesn't matter if you claim whatever Dwlee did it's bastard and anything goes. Radical claiming they know dwlee is town because aforementioned reasons is white noise to me. As it stands, I'm not getting a feel for what people want because it's mostly revolved around the setup itself. I think it should be treated as secondary at best. My reasoning is on the fact (I believe I've said this before, so if you've been in a game with me prepare to hear the same spiel!) mechanical play is very easy to hide behind and talk about.

For context, I just lost a recent game (Bloodstained) where I had scum in my crosshairs. Town got distracted by mechanical proceedings and it ended up with me being treated as an enemy of the state for wanting to do my fucking job. Two slots got close to cleared and we let ourselves get blindsided. Titus was in that game and can attest to my claims. In short-- Let's not do that again.

I actually missed that you were voting in tandem with A50.

Do you have any independent leanings? I don't mind the attempts to give out reads, I would read most of those as well-meaning as I'm pretty sure the lack of anything is just nervous scum

Probably says more about what type of team we're dealing with

@unwnd - it's really nitpicky of me, but the wordiness at times strikes me as fluff/over-deliberation. It could literally just be the way you write

I like to write. I like to express myself and Mafia is a good compartment to try and deliver my thoughts in interesting ways. However, the game is more shallow than a kiddie pool right now. I looked at this game, saw it was a large theme and thought we'd be at 1000 posts in 2 days because that's how things goes these days.

To my surprise, we are instead not anywhere close. My initial claims were self-serving observations that were meant to try and get the game going. And believe me, I don't mind a slow pace, but the play that is going on isn't necessarily methodical or anything to dig into. That being said, you putting some degree of effort (even if it's just quoting my posts) is...fine. Yet I want to get past just feeling fine or feeling 'meh' about multiple things and that just isn't happening.

Do you think I as scum would want to give myself attention in a stagnant game?

The game is indeed slow, do I see scum giving themselves attention by trying to move the game forward? There is that slight chance, but I don't see it.

I can see scum liking it where everybody just seems to be socializing as it would be far easier to blend in, and not draw any warranted attention. But there is that slight chance that scum can see this as an opportunity to take the lead, but that would leave it harder for them to hide later in the game, if they survive. Scum won't like vocal players and town will get paranoid to why that person is still alive.

Driveby lazy thoughts

I think Skybird Gamma(?) A50 are town

I lean town on Dwlee but need to see them latch onto something before fully

I think you elim in RR/Aristo/ND/Yuki you probably fidd a good amount of scum

I did my read up slightly wrong and over reading through a few things again, I think my reads are nearly as close to yours, but with Skybird being an exception.

If anyone has played with Toura, is this his normal playstyle? Because I over read his ISO, and I think I'll find it hard to read that slot. But I'm not going to go for it right now, as I don't agree with going for low hanging fruit.

[Skybird]

Taro, do you have any reads yet?

[Taroumaru]

@Taroumaru who do you townread at this current moment?

The only townreads so to speak that I have right now is You,unwnd(Really like dhis back and forth with RR and I honestly think RR might be scum here cause of it) and of course my owner Yuki <3

[Taroumaru]

I am honestly kinda meh on everyone else at the moment mostly a bunch of nulls

[Taroumaru]

Kop has a strong start but I will refrain for now because the replace out was really iffy and it migh tbe scum trying to look good and save the slot

[Taroumaru]

I am sorry...

Arf arf

[Dragon of the West]

I'm happy with my Ari vote I think

Aren't you voting Skybird?