Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[unwnd]

@unwnd, read and understood. is there a reason you're holding your vote?

I think scum necessarily tp hunting has two facets:
1) as a wikitell (which only really help by advancing game state) on people who have the audacity to explicitly suggest they read someone as third party.
2) as a mindset tell (they're genuinely just tp hunting at the expense of scumhunting / they appear to view the tp as a higher priority issue than groupscum).

I feel like you're fairly focused on the former, and I'm not satisfied that you've made an effort to discern their alignment moreso than you've made an effort to discern whether their posts look towny at a surface level.

No particular reason other than I've already stated that 'yeah jeez Kaz looks bad' and Dann never responded to me. That's about it.

I think they're trying to be townie by nature but the intent behind them is missing. That could explain what you yourself are seeing with my own judgment of them.

[the worst]

my third eye is swiveling back and forth at blinding speed.

[Dannflor]

My own take is that they're fidgety and their opinions are overwrought.

this does not a scum player make

i often am fidgety with over-written opinions as town, I think this is more emblematic of the type of person Kazyan is

[unwnd]

My own take is that they're fidgety and their opinions are overwrought.

this does not a scum player make

i often am fidgety with over-written opinions as town, I think this is more emblematic of the type of person Kazyan is

But your vote is on Kaz, sir

[Dannflor]

yeahhhhh

[Dannflor]

VOTE: dwlee

[unwnd]

I'll give you that your vote on Kaz was more early, so I assume the way I described why I don't like Kaz is why you uh, do?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: dwlee

helllll yeeeeeeeeAaaaaa

[the worst]

adjacent-ish for me, I think they care more about developing reads than they care about how they're viewed

[Dannflor]

398 is kinda exactly what I thought about unwnd's initial "ew early reads lists" reaction

like yes, of course, reads lists on page 5 or whatever aren't necessarily the most useful. But people will make them anyway, probably regardless of alignment. They help show how people are thinking and propel the game forward

I don't fully understand why a player like unwnd has stopped at "these reads lists feel bad" instead of plumbing into what exactly about them feels bad or if any of their specifics reveal anything. I am trying to give you some benefit of the doubt because you came into this game saying you're exhausted but... it feels like very level 0 thinking. I am SURE there is more going on in your head if you are town but in that case it doesn't seem you are electing to share it

[the worst]

VOTE: dwlee

helllll yeeeeeeeeAaaaaa

I'm calling this the bus vote and I'm literally overlooking a dann vote to do so

[Dannflor]

I'll give you that your vote on Kaz was more early, so I assume the way I described why I don't like Kaz is why you uh, do?

idk I mostly just voted Kaz because Gorkington did

I had a middling opinion of them before

I do think their posting somewhat improved under pressure though?

[the worst]

+1 #409

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i haven't ridden on a bus since i was 11

[unwnd]

398 is kinda exactly what I thought about unwnd's initial "ew early reads lists" reaction

like yes, of course, reads lists on page 5 or whatever aren't necessarily the most useful. But people will make them anyway, probably regardless of alignment. They help show how people are thinking and propel the game forward

I don't fully understand why a player like unwnd has stopped at "these reads lists feel bad" instead of plumbing into what exactly about them feels bad or if any of their specifics reveal anything. I am trying to give you some benefit of the doubt because you came into this game saying you're exhausted but... it feels like very level 0 thinking. I am SURE there is more going on in your head if you are town but in that case it doesn't seem you are electing to share it

You'd be right but I tried to give at least

something

to tide everybody over

[the worst]

Spoiler: super secret, town only

honestly I'm not even sure I've totally convinced myself Kazyapple is town exactly?? I just trust the pressure on them less than I trust their posting and I'm kinda worried there's no cw and they're getting pressure from unwnd who isn't voting them

[Dwlee99]

Am I the counterwagon now gdi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean kaz is probly mafia but its boring to just kill kaz and get shot at night so im gonna try something else just to have the chance to play with my favorite duck some more

[Dwlee99]

Kidamn and Kazyan should be the two competing wagons cause one of those two is actually probably scum if my vibe check is right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Am I the counterwagon now gdi

yw

[the worst]

what's your vibe check which leads to that conclusion?

[Dwlee99]

Am I the counterwagon now gdi

yw

Pooky you're an evil evil bear

[Gorkington]

I do think their posting somewhat improved under pressure though?

can you talk about why?
i thought that the trajectory on the house read was really bad.

the scatteredness in response to pressure also kind of felt like deer in headlights scum defeatism (especially in comparison to how they opened the game) but its sounding like thats more NAI for them? (this is an open invitation for anyone /w kaz experience to hit me with words on this)

[unwnd]

Spoiler: super secret, town only

honestly I'm not even sure I've totally convinced myself Kazyapple is town exactly?? I just trust the pressure on them less than I trust their posting and I'm kinda worried there's no cw and they're getting pressure from unwnd who isn't voting them

Spoiler: Even more secret, for unwnd only

Dwlee is exhibiting close to the same behavior Kaz is, albeit with a different goal in mind

[Dwlee99]

It's that I feel like Kazyan is town, and I have felt like the wagon on him was also mostly town. So then we should be looking at who is on the sidelines (like kidamn who still has done nothing).

I also think regardless of Kazyan's alignment that scum are inactive right now.