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[GrandpaMo]

@loft r u scujrmeading / townreading nee

[Loftwing]

Maybe we should start a push on GrandpaMo. They have an anime avatar, which is not acceptable.

is this serious?

The first part is. You hadn't really said much this game quite yet, and I nearly forgot you were in the game until recently.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

State your full read on dwlee and loftwing. No null reads - there's enough content from both where you can make a good effort and form a full read.

Dwlee is a TR. I think I played with scum!Dwlee once but was NKed N1. I didnt stay caught up in that game, but later in a game we were both town in, was in ELO with him and metad him, incorrectly reading him as scum. I flipped later and since then feel like I have a good feel for their towngame, and I think this is it. They feel similar as town and scum, but I think there are things they'll do as scum that they will not as town, and I haven't seen those things yet. I also expect some of the things they've said to be said when they are town, and those things are a bit contrary to what I expect them to say as scum, so I those things are safe to TR them from.

Loftwing only makes sense as town here, because you're scum and your interactions are not scum theatre. I'm still looking to question him though because if he also sorts as scum there is potential I am wrong elsewhere. For me he is townlean, and off the table at least for D1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

We have pages of discussion about you and

this is one of the few things you want to focus on?

I’ve been trying to stay prudent and keep the game level-headed and this makes me feel like I was wrong to do so. Smdh my head.

VOTE: SSB

To answer the question, I don’t know what “fairish” means but it was a cheap shot at Andres to provoke a reaction. All it got in response was sarcasm so I don’t know what to make of that. Could be scum hiding behind irony.

It means scum are more aware of being "fair" in their play. I didnt pick up the tone was intended to provoke him, but I can buy that.

No, I think I get what you’re saying. She’s cherry-picking and not addressing what town needs to address.

What do you think need to address? I'm never going to catch up posting my thoughts on every single post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This was how kyouko acted when i was confident on her being scum in our first game together (mini normal FIA) I can link later

I started a V/LA that I had announced before FIA WRC started when you started scumreading me in that game?

Hold up, you’re using the V/LA as an excuse? You were posting exactly when and during Kobas FOS on you. Why should your announcing of an V/LA matter at all there?

Factually, my parents who I have not seen in about a year were in town from out of state staying with me and my family from Tuesday through Saturday. I work from home and I play at work, and I didnt start PTO until Thursday. I played until I started PTO and then mostly stopped to spend time with my family. On Sunday I was catching up on Destiny 2 weekly stuff with my wife. We play every night but didnt play while my family was here. I popped into my games on Sunday to check deadlines and ease back in a bit, then started up again today.

[Andresvmb]

Let me read, it’s been a long day at work.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The things Koba is pushing me on are NAI, but he thinks he can abuse his previous streak on me for a mislim and get away with it on towncred.

You actually claim Dkkoba is scum here?

Yes, that's been my read and I haven't been convinced otherwise. It's strengthened a bit today during catchup as well.

[Kerset]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

With 16 players alive it takes 9 to eliminate

ssbm_Kyouko (5): Almost50, NorwegianBoyEE, Dwlee99, Rannygazoo, Hakai,
NorwegianBoyEE (3): Andresvmb, LicketyQuickety, Nero Cain,
Loftwing (3): Titus, MargotRosa, DkKoba,
Dwlee99 (2): Wake88, Loftwing,
Almost50 (1): GrandpaMo,
DkKoba (1): ssbm_Kyouko,
LicketyQuickety (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Hakai (0):
Wake88 (0):
Titus (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Andresvmb (0):
MargotRosa (0):
cool cookie (0):
Rannygazoo (0):

Not voting (1): cool cookie,

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-02 17:00:00)

V/LA: Wake88 till Tuesday

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What's weird is it feels like there are like 10 players in the game at most. Just seeing Titus post reminded me this is a large.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

Your immediate OMGUS on Koba when they called you out was really scummy

, and i don't think you genuinely believe your own arguments about why Koba is mafia.

hypothetical:

You're town and in our last 4-5 games together, which all happened in the past few months (so recently), I have been town and read you correctly every time. I start scumreading you in this game, citing incorrect meta and my previous track record. What do you think my alignment is in this hypothetical?

It's clear that you don't believe my arguments. What makes you think I don't?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

Your immediate OMGUS on Koba when they called you out was really scummy, and i don't think you genuinely believe your own arguments about why Koba is mafia.

Correction : i was only publicly scumreading kyouko once she went into discred mode against me.
I was holing the read bc she knows shes done for due to my ability against her meta.
She's continued to post in a way that is her scum meta. Its all shallow nonsense disguised by clever wording.

Saying you were holing the read is disingenuous when 81 makes it obvious you were scumreading me out of RVS

dwlee can be town.. tentatively.

kyouko is locktown until i decide eod what my real read is so if shes scum she will spew :3

If you were really holing a read you wouldn't have said anything in the first place, which is what pinged me in to begin with, because I know town!you isn't likely to misread me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

cool cookie - loftwing - andres- kyouko

is a solve i dont hate atp

these are the only 4 names that are not hitting the bar of townienes I have currently set.

So your bar is "doesnt disagree with my Kyouko read"? Feels like you went all in on that looking to power wolf and are running low on options that fit your agenda. I was already leaning town on Andres and Loftwing but this

probably

spews them all.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nvm on cool cookie, that's kop slot

Didnt kop have 1 post? How does Kop factor into your read on cool cookie?

[Loftwing]

I've done some reconsideration, and I want to come back to this game again. Perhaps something went wrong here that I want to inspect.

@NorwEE @Koba @Dwlee I want to find some common ground here, because I want to re-visit you being scum here. When we both have more time, I'd like to discuss some things we can agree on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

sigh

I really don't want to have to explain the same thing over and over again.

Building Pressure

and

Executioning

are two mutually exclusive things. You cannot both

Want to gauge how someone reacts to pressure

while also

wanting to kill them

because the whole purpose of building pressure is

to determine a player's alignment without killing them

, while the whole purpose of execution is

to kill those who have been deemed to be against the town

(mainly in the form of killing scum). You cannot want

someone alive

while also wanting them

dead

. They are mutually exclusive. I hope you can understand this, because I will not be explaining it again.

Strong disagree. Making distinctions between these two is pen-pushing nonsense. They are LITERALLY the same.

[Loftwing]

Could you go into more detail there, NorwEE? I'd be interested in learning more form you.

[Titus]

Just a warning, I am possessed by the spirit of not mafia this game.

[Nero Cain]

Hey Nero! I THINK YOU'RE SCUM!

it's a good thing that I know you are wrong then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick is just being dumb, but Nero is prob scum this game. Their takes are so out of the ordinary i can’t see it being their normal town!Nero behaviour in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could you go into more detail there, NorwEE? I'd be interested in learning more form you.

It’s that voting someone and telling people to kill them is literally what pressure is.
What do you think it is? For someone to sayy: "Ohhh!! Look at me!! I am pressuring you!!! Ohhh!! Don’t kill him tho"

[NorwegianboyEE]

That it’s so hard to push for SSB elimination should already tell everyone that scum doesn’t want that elimination to happen.

I sure WONDER why scum wouldn’t want for us to eliminate SSB…

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me rephraze that. I SURE wonder why scum wants to DEFEND an null/scummy slot.

[Dwlee99]

Nero scum yes agree

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick is just being dumb, but Nero is prob scum this game. Their takes are so out of the ordinary i can’t see it being their normal town!Nero behaviour in this game.

It's not my IQ that is the problem.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick is just being dumb, but Nero is prob scum this game. Their takes are so out of the ordinary i can’t see it being their normal town!Nero behaviour in this game.

It's not my IQ that is the problem.

There is such an thing as too high IQ as well.
As in you can’t see the forest for trees.