2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't like it when slots are confident in an mech win.
Makes me wonder if it's some kind of trick.

Then do the analysis yourself, I'm always dying before lylo in this plan. Always. There is no world in which you do my night plan and I don't die before Lylo or become confirmed town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like literally with my plan it should go

Sanae
Gamma
LLD
Norwee

And that's the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause Norwee can confirm everyone but themselves, but dies last because they're basically town.

It's Sanae today, I either become confirmed or no one died. In either case, the number work to kill Gamma.

Then if it still is going it won't be ELO, so kill me.

then when it's ELO and not over yet, kill Norwee as the only remaining option.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it mech win even if we eliminate you first?

[StrangeMatter]

I mean like they set up the suggestion that godfather existed, but it could just be that scum jumped onto what LLD did as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through LLD, Kilga, and Kake's posts and it really makes me wonder if LLD could've been scum setting up for Kilga as their partner to suggest that godfather exists.

I had that thought myself, I kinda binned it as Kilga running with a townie's thought process but maybe with a new perspective I'll see it differently

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it mech win even if we eliminate you first?

Maybe? It's less certain, because my immortality and lack fo a vote makes me super safe to do with this.

I could crunch the numbers and see if it is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if we switched you and Sanae's slots in your plan.
Still works right? I'd just target Sanae instead of us limming them now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What if we switched you and Sanae's slots in your plan.
Still works right? I'd just target Sanae instead of us limming them now.

Sanae isn't immortal to night kills, so if it's you in that world, we lose.

My world prevents you from winning as scum. That's the only difference.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

[Yukari Yakumo]

First step of deciding whether the suggested mechanical plan is sound is approaching logically rather than empathically.
Ignore your reads for a sec and approach this from pure mechanical view.
Heck, I personally don't think Sanae is scum due to how Kilga went after her since Day 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Literally we have 4 people who aren't mechanically cleared

Norwee
LLD
Gamma
Sanae.

We kill Sanae and have Norwee try to confirm LLD, that ends the game because I'm voteless and immortal.

If we reverse those, Norwee can still win by killing LLD, Gamma and some kind of trick, if they are lying about their claim.

[Yukari Yakumo]

How am I mechanically cleared? I personally think I can't be scum but I don't think I'm cleared mechanically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

First step of deciding whether the suggested mechanical plan is sound is approaching logically rather than empathically.
Ignore your reads for a sec and approach this from pure mechanical view.
Heck, I personally don't think Sanae is scum due to how Kilga went after her since Day 1.

Please do the math yourself so people can see it as something other than "LLD IS SCRAMBLING!1!"

Confirm my math.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How am I mechanically cleared? I personally think I can't be scum but I don't think I'm cleared mechanically.

I thought you were?

OH sorry it's Reg who is confirmed.

Wait we only have 7 people? or do we have 8?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It says 7 on the vote count, but... I thought...

with Reg makes 8?

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

My mindset will eventually demonstrate that I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hopefully it's today but there's also the possibility that it happens tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

It says 7 on the vote count, but... I thought...

with Reg makes 8?

Cakez died last night, it's me, you, Reg, Yukari, norwee, sanae, and SM alive today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh right, sorry. You're confirmed town because you being alive guarantees Norwee can clear people infinitely, so for you to be scum, you'd be PoEing yourself out.

You're in the same block as Norwee

[Yukari Yakumo]

We have 7 left.
That's why I initially suggested that we can just burn thru list of 3 and suggested working towards clearing more people.
And then I remembered that you're voteless and it becomes list of 2.
Now that we know that you can vote if necessary that goes up to list of 3.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

My mindset will eventually demonstrate that I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hopefully it's today but there's also the possibility that it happens tomorrow.

This isn't how this works. Mindset doesn't remove shadow of doubt. Otherwise my mindset would be similar in terms fo town.

We're not playing normal mafia anymore. We're playing a logic puzzle.

[Yukari Yakumo]

First step of deciding whether the suggested mechanical plan is sound is approaching logically rather than empathically.
Ignore your reads for a sec and approach this from pure mechanical view.
Heck, I personally don't think Sanae is scum due to how Kilga went after her since Day 1.

Please do the math yourself so people can see it as something other than "LLD IS SCRAMBLING!1!"

Confirm my math.

I was actually agreeing with you there. I did say that "It is true that one more confirm and two skipped kills equals to town autowin."

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, at this point it's probably just sanae.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We have 7 left.
That's why I initially suggested that we can just burn thru list of 3 and suggested working towards clearing more people.
And then I remembered that you're voteless and it becomes list of 2.
Now that we know that you can vote if necessary that goes up to list of 3.

Yeah you can kill me the moment my vote comes online. Straight up. Until that point I can't win a final 3. Guaranteed right? The only move for a townie in a final 3 with me and no vote would be to agree with the other person regardless of alignment to kill me and hope I'm scum.

So the minute I turn on my vote, you can kill me. But doing it before then is a waste of my utility in this puzzle.