Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat you can't retire cause then we can't make funny mini Kodak moments together anymore then

[Gorkington]

or nvm i misunderstood the second part of that. are you actually calling gamma mafia here

[Gorkington]

jesus nvm i read it a third time and read gamma's quotes and now i actually get it just ignore me im going to sit in the corner.

[Gamma Emerald]

What am I supposed to respond to? There's no content in your posts about me

You could try explaining how your questions actually help, if they do

[Kazyan]

Going to a wedding this weekend, really don't have the time or the energy to fight the wagon. "He's scummy when he's here" and then you just quote my iso with no real reasoning and people hop on like always. Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

Mood

The worst is still town, house maybe scum if Navi town but the vote swap seemed too blatant. Meg most likely scum on my wagon. Gamma ??, Still don't believe that read on me is real

VOTE: Navi

Not mood

[Gorkington]

you arent even being run up anymore!

[Loftwing]

Honestly if you put my butt to the fire, all you'd get is me screaming in Non-AI pain.

[Kazyan]

you arent even being run up anymore!

The initial run-up broke me and I have had a hard week

[Gorkington]

sorry youre having a hard week.

when youre feeling better you should read the game and get invested if youre town so if i am wrong i can change my mind and not look like i suck at the game.

[Kazyan]

I will. I've already taken a reread of Loftwing, at least, and I think I get what Gamma is talking about now. Loftwing's first few posts were so pure to me that I thought "newbtown", but it's not the first few posts of the game anymore. What stands out to me is that, despite dropping a good analysis, it didn't go anywhere. Loftwing didn't seriously push anyone based on it. He's pointing to the analysis in self-defense, but not using it to, like, get scum eliminated.

But seriously the Navi/MC wagons are literally the same thing, just lurker hunts. This is a chaotic game and this is only happening because no one can get anything to stick on anyone

Given that they're so similar, there's probably not an equal amount of scum on both; it would be a waste of votepower

[Gorkington]

have you read the reasoning that gamma gave for murdercat being mafia and the reasoning that dannflor gave for navi being mafia?
just because both are lower in post count doesnt mean that the reasons that theyre being pushed for are the same.

[Kazyan]

I think Navi is like dead null in a large number of reads lists (which is always a good starting place by itself), and I know people are generally more lenient with more cryptic/gimmick style posters as long as they actually post content, but the style of her content is not towny

specifically stuff like #149 and #183 reads like listing off observations until she has met an imagined "solvy" quota. there are no serious questions or direct engagements to other players in any of her posts beyond the #330 case on Pooky which really just exists to justify Navi being able to stick her vote somewhere.

overall, it's a type of posting that is very easy to skim over because it looks relatively towny but it's not really naturally towny? town doesn't naturally deliberately type out every step of their thoughts like in those first two posts I mentioned, it's very deliberate in a way that reads like someone trying to get town read rather than someone sharing some important thoughts they had.

house put it more succinctly than I with "forced tone" I suppose. There is a chance I am misreading this character or gimmick she is doing but I think even considering that there is a decent likelihood this flips red

This is just listing reasons that Navi is being town and tacking on a "this looks towny, but that's why it isn't" sentiment. Hard pass. Pure WIFOM

Gamma has more to say so I can't do a single quote, but the main point seems to be that MC is asking calculated questions in an attempt at manipulation. I think I buy that more than the Navi read, because of the higher skill level on this site, but I'm sorta just taking Gamma's word for it because I look at questions like 92 and 491 and all I see is a question about to cryptic posts. I feel like that's NAI? Unless that's all you do.

[Kazyan]

Oh wait hold on I think I get what Dann is saying now. Yeah, if you're just checking boxes and doing the "spew your entire alibi" scumtell you should probably go to the dead thread without passing Go or collecting 200 dollars

I still want Pooky gone first, though

[Dwlee99]

Is spewing your entire alibi a scumtell? I do it all the time regardless of alignment

[Gorkington]

can you walk through your pooky read like im 12 years old and need someone talking slowly to me in order to understand what theyre trying to say

[Gorkington]

sorry if anyone is 12 in this game im sure youre smarter than me.

[Kazyan]

I'll case it.

I saw 232 and then his stuff bout me and Worst/Wake being partners, though admittedly he seems to be actually focusing on the second partial-solve; idk if he's still on the unwnd thing

But he's also obviously wagon-shopping and agreeing to vote some lurkers (KidAmn, Navi, whatever) even though he expresses pretty firm scumreads on me and Worst

I kinda hate most the interaction with House which starts at 237. I know Pooky does this friend routine whenever, but House isn't picking it up, and Pooky like

just keeps going on and on about this

even though he has no one to convince. It reminds me of when a dog is trying to make friends with someone who doesn't like dogs, and will try to get petted over and over and over again; it's like the most buddying thing I've ever seen

[Dannflor]

so naturally loftwing is towny

dannflor you cant just townread everyone who acts weird
this site is literally full of weirdos

More of both of you are individually suspicious after thoroughly looking through your ISOs

i feel like your read on me would feel a lot less stale if you had actually acknowledged my response to your isodive on me.

Yeah I was kinda making fun of myself here I’m not really sure where loftwing stands at the moment

[Dannflor]

I would like to think murdercat isn’t going to go “fine I’ll just retire” if he’s scum here but idk that’s also classic scum caught for wrong reasons behavior

[Kazyan]

My SK read is more based on the shotgun-shade conflict between unwnd/Dann and Kazyan/Worst being partners, like he doesn't have anyone to protect or draw attention from, but if he really doesn't care about unwnd/Dann anymore then I have to rethink him as regular scum.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Murdercat

This one

[Kazyan]

Bah whatever Pooky isn't happening

VOTE: Navi

That's

E-1

so a claim would be nice

[unwnd]

I get how you feel ostracized Mcat but I don't think it'd distract you from busting heads

[Gorkington]

But he's also obviously wagon-shopping and agreeing to vote some lurkers (KidAmn, Navi, whatever) even though he expresses pretty firm scumreads on me and Worst

why is pooky opportunistic SK who doesnt care who dies vs someone who is just trying to shake things to see what falls loose? doesnt SK have incentive to want to find mafia early on in the game?
pooky more or less said that hes not interested in trying to force wagons on who he thinks is mafia because its not worth the effort, do you believe that, or no?

I kinda hate most the interaction with House which starts at 237. I know Pooky does this friend routine whenever, but House isn't picking it up, and Pooky like just keeps going on and on about this even though he has no one to convince. It reminds me of when a dog is trying to make friends with someone who doesn't like dogs, and will try to get petted over and over and over again; it's like the most buddying thing I've ever seen

it seems more like pooky just enjoys riling people up. i dont read any of that interaction as buddying.

Yeah I was kinda making fun of myself here I’m not really sure where loftwing stands at the moment

i was also being unserious but i do feel more or less the same about loftwing, which in relative terms is bad because i have a lot of townleans atm.

I would like to think murdercat isn’t going to go “fine I’ll just retire” if he’s scum here but idk that’s also classic scum caught for wrong reasons behavior

i dont really think it would be a fake position for him to be taking if he were mafia here. he can be tired of being run up on d1 as either alignment and also just generally want to quit (and kind of tracks with my expectation from team mafia).
he does seem pretty stilted here but idk if thats just complete burnout/not having time to play.
hes probably a better bet than navi for a scumflip but i also want to see what navi's response to pressure is.

[Navi]

Navi will not claim without intent. She has not even started.