newbie 2080: correct statements (this is over)

[schadd_]

welcome to newbie 2080: correct statements

every truck is round

modded by: schadd
shoutout to: chinese food

Spoiler: alive players

• Thynhith
  
• MargotRosa
  
• Spangled
  
• Val89 (SE)
  Mewtaph
  
  
• Vulture (SE)
  Roden

Spoiler: reveals

d1: Cook was a

vanilla townie

!
n1: Galron was a

vanilla townie

!
d2: Facebones was a

vanilla townie

!
n2: DArby was a

vanilla townie

!

[schadd_]

RULES

(adapted from nexus' ruleset)

general:

- please adhere to the site rules.
- do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- day 1 will last 10 days and other day phases will last 7 days (or until an elimination is achieved).
- night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. on any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- the thread gets locked during night phases
- do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated).

this includes specific timestamps and that sort of meta-data; please ask me if you're uncertain whether something breaks this rule.

paraphrasing is acceptable.
- if you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM me.
- "bah" posts are not allowed.

- this site doesn't use the term "lynch" to describe voting someone out during the day

- rule number 1: don't break the rulez

voting / player actions:

- vote either with vote tags (VOTE: schadd) or with bold (

vote: schadd

). note that i didn't include the underscore in my username; you may choose to use a string that will uniquely identify a player to me instead of the exact thing.
- don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- an elimination will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached by deadline, nobody is eliminated
- Following an elimination, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- if you have a night action, you may submit it from night 1 and each subsequent night. you would do this by PMing me what you would like to do with the role, or by posting in a private topic if you have one.

activity:

- you are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. if you haven't posted for 48 hours, i shall prod you. if you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's day, or via PM during the night) then i will replace you.
- as well, if you require more than three prods, i will force-replace you.
-

if you decide to replace out, PLEASE PM me and don't post in thread after doing so - if you want to rescind the replacement BLEASE PM ME AGAIN and dont post in thread until i have been like "ok np"

things:

- no impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. for example, i would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- i might make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- if you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- i reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as i see fit. you will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

[schadd_]

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Mods should use the sample role PMs below.

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[schadd_]

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[schadd_]

i've sent out the role PMs. i'll go ahead and start the game when 7 people have confirmed to me

[schadd_]

most soy sauces do not actually contain any salt!

vote count 1.0

not voting (9):

Thynhith, MargotRosa, Spangled, Facebones, DArby, Mewtaph, Cook, Galron, Roden

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate. day 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-10-10 13:35:00)

[DArby]

Good afternoon everyone. I wish a good game for everyone involved.

VOTE: Roden

[Roden]

GLHF

VOTE: Spangled

[Cook]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

[Cook]

and also VOTE: Facebones

name too similar to facebook. i suspect foul play.

[DArby]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Can you elaborate?

[Cook]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Can you elaborate?

if all goes well with the strategy we know the setup and have confirmed several townies within two or three days.

[Spangled]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Isn’t that only any good for B3?
If it’s A2 it’s no good, since the JK chooses between protecting them (and blocking them, of course), and if it’s B1 it just sucks, since you’ve straight up outed a PR.

Cook, can you please explain how this is going to work?

tracker, don’t claim just yet for the love of god

[Spangled]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

[DArby]

tracker, don’t claim just yet for the love of god

Yeah I'm going to second this one chief

[DArby]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

And if you happen to be scum by all means we can remove you as swiftly as possible if you're not satisfied

[Spangled]

oh dang my vote means DArby, Roden and I are in a nice little vote-triangle
that’s fun

for the record, I don’t think Cook’s being scummy here, they’re a self-proclaimed setup-breaker and surely the strategy they’re about to propose has some merit, because if it doesn’t geez louise that’s some openwolfing right there

in which case I guess it would be scummy, but surely they know other players would check their logic, and surely a tracker wouldn’t claim due to just one line of bolded text
a persuasive bolded line, to be sure, and coming from a potentially scaaaarrrry SE, but still

pedit:
ahhh mafia always stresses me out
I prefer to die early, since I hate being unsure and unsure and unsure in a MyLo or LyLo situation

[Spangled]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Isn’t that only any good for B3?
If it’s A2 it’s no good, since the JK chooses between protecting them (and blocking them, of course),

and not bothering

, and if it’s B1 it just sucks, since you’ve straight up outed a PR.

Cook, can you please explain how this is going to work?

tracker, don’t claim just yet for the love of god

EBWOP
(is what is said here, right?)

[Spangled]

for the record, I don’t think Cook’s being scummy here, they’re a self-proclaimed setup-breaker and surely the strategy they’re about to propose has some merit, because if it doesn’t geez louise that’s some openwolfing right there

although, someone being wrong about how to break a setup doesn’t necessarily mean they’re openwolfing, but if their strategy turns out to be bizarrely terrible then that immediate demand for the tracker to claim looks sketchy

so I guess actually, maybe townpoints if they have a decent strategy, scum equity if it just straight up sucks

but the immediate demand doesn’t really mean anything necessarily, I often used to play mafia in meatspace and I would always suspect people who seemed confident of themselves, which generally turned out to be wrong
a demand like that just means confidence in their strategy and themselves
so

[Spangled]

I mean, often it meant confidence in the people backing them up, which was often

me

until they started to show that confidence, and then I would stop backing them up, which is quite a twisted cycle really

[Spangled]

however, even if Cook’s strategy is bizarrely bad — which I don’t expect it will be! — someone pushing her for it on the grounds that it’s rolefishing or something is misguided, I think

[Cook]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

VOTE: Spangled

gut says this is scum

[Spangled]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

VOTE: Spangled

gut says this is scum

does a nervous tone mean scum?
this wouldn’t be anything to do with me asking you to explain your setup-breaking, would it?

[Cook]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

VOTE: Spangled

gut says this is scum

does a nervous tone mean scum?
this wouldn’t be anything to do with me asking you to explain your setup-breaking, would it?

oh no not at all

matter of fact i've actually explained my setup breaker before

the only unfortunate circumstance was that when i had made the strategy and /inned to a newbie to test it was that i got a red role pm

i'll explain ASAP, doing stuff until then

[Roden]

Unfortunately I know exactly what Cook is doing, which means this is gonna be another weird newbie game.

Cook doing this strat as scum:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12928402

T3 copying the strat as town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87394