newbie 2080: correct statements (this is over)

[Galron]

Glad you said that. But I'm going to leave it at E-2 to see what happens.

[Roden]

Roden, sorry but I'm not reading past games. If you have posts to link to, that's okay. But I'm not reading games unless I generate some WIM.

That's fine, it isn't required reading. More so just some background info on Cook's strat, you can do with it as you wish.

Meh. I'll probably do it. Just don't feel like it at this point. You're good enough that I'm sure I'll get something out of it.

(that's not a pocket)

Don't worry, I didn't think of it as a pocket. I'll take the compliment though.

yeah, fair enough

Roden, what do you think of Cook’s potentially-NewD3-breaking strategy?

pedit
I like that song, occasionally
y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles
but maybe he was the Thomas Cromwell, the power behind the throne

VOTE: Thynhith

I'm hesitant to trust it since it ultimately helped me win as scum last time I saw it, even when town had a Tracker + Doctor combo and the Rolecop was elim'd Day 1. Granted, T3 might not have followed the strat correctly, but still, I think it's just more likely to help scum than town. If Tracker claims and we don't have a Doc, we're gonna be at a massive disadvantage.

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

[Galron]

I noticed we have 4 SEs this game. So maybe something outlandish will happen, but I doubt it. If I find anyone tonight to guilty, I'll probably hold onto it until Day 3 just to see what kind of scramble Day 2 is.

[Spangled]

I noticed we have 4 SEs this game. So maybe something outlandish will happen, but I doubt it. If I find anyone tonight to guilty, I'll probably hold onto it until Day 3 just to see what kind of scramble Day 2 is.

well, we have 4 SEs this game and then me and Facebones, who both technically qualify for SE status
so this is a bit of a more experienced game than usual, I’d say

uh, that better not be what I think it is

[Spangled]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

[Spangled]

I'm hesitant to trust it since it ultimately helped me win as scum last time I saw it, even when town had a Tracker + Doctor combo and the Rolecop was elim'd Day 1. Granted, T3 might not have followed the strat correctly, but still, I think it's just more likely to help scum than town. If Tracker claims and we don't have a Doc, we're gonna be at a massive disadvantage.

they had a tracker-doctor? oh lord, let me skim that game again
I almost put ‘read’ there but let’s face it no one has time to read a whole other game

it seemed pretty waterproof to me, but not a setup-

breaking

strategy
after all, there’s still room to mislim with a couple of ICs

[Spangled]

well, in that game, the doctor (alstroemerial, I think) had to claim to prevent being mislimmed

Cook, if we have a tracker + doc, is the idea to just speed through the rounds until the tracker gets a guilty, for fear of the town accidentally limming the doctor?

[Thynhith]

VOTE: Thynhith

Lack of vowels. That's going to be annyoing.

sad for you I guess, as a consolation prize I'll give you a VOTE: Galron
for the phonetically challenged, the "thyn" sounds like thin

[DArby]

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

[Thynhith]

Unfortunately I know exactly what Cook is doing, which means this is gonna be another weird newbie game.

Cook doing this strat as scum:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12928402

T3 copying the strat as town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87394

past games, did the the strat ever work? it sounds like it would out the tracker for a 2/3 chance of being NKd

[DArby]

I don't like putting too much stock in meta-gaming this early when we're still in RVS. Can we put a pin in this and come back to it late d1 or sometime d2? I don't see the point of putting this much energy in the 1/3 chance there even is a tracker and an even smaller chance said tracker would want to cooperate.

[Thynhith]

VOTE: Thynhith

Lack of vowels. That's going to be annyoing.

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

..and we get to E-1 on page 3 - darby did you know that spangled was at E-2 before you voted him?

[Spangled]

I don't like putting too much stock in meta-gaming this early when we're still in RVS. Can we put a pin in this and come back to it late d1 or sometime d2? I don't see the point of putting this much energy in the 1/3 chance there even is a tracker and an even smaller chance said tracker would want to cooperate.

firstly: Cook’s plan goes beyond just tracker stuff, like if we have Masons she wants one Mason to claim Cop with a green result on the other Mason on D2 IIRC
secondly: pretty sure the plan has to go from the start of D1 to work
thirdly: the tracker not wanting to cooperate’s kinda bull, surely they’d follow the best strategy town could give

I think we hash all this stuff you label ‘metagaming’ out first, and then move on
but also content provided by our discussion of ‘metagaming’ could help us later
more we say, more info we have later

[Spangled]

VOTE: Thynhith

Lack of vowels. That's going to be annyoing.

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

..and we get to E-1 on page 3 - darby did you know that spangled was at E-2 before you voted him?

lmao yeah I was about to say
I want to go out early, but not this early

[Thynhith]

Roden, sorry but I'm not reading past games. If you have posts to link to, that's okay. But I'm not reading games unless I generate some WIM.

Never heard of WIM before, what does it stand for?

[Spangled]

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

so who was the least interesting, if not Ringo, huh?
thinks ringo’s the most interesting beatle = scummy
VOTE: DArby

[Roden]

Unfortunately I know exactly what Cook is doing, which means this is gonna be another weird newbie game.

Cook doing this strat as scum:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12928402

T3 copying the strat as town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87394

past games, did the the strat ever work? it sounds like it would out the tracker for a 2/3 chance of being NKd

I don't think the plan itself has ever worked, but it's never been fully acted out yet AFAIK.

I don't like putting too much stock in meta-gaming this early when we're still in RVS. Can we put a pin in this and come back to it late d1 or sometime d2? I don't see the point of putting this much energy in the 1/3 chance there even is a tracker and an even smaller chance said tracker would want to cooperate.

I understand your hesitance, but it's something we kinda have to decide on sooner rather than later if it's going to work.

Roden, sorry but I'm not reading past games. If you have posts to link to, that's okay. But I'm not reading games unless I generate some WIM.

Never heard of WIM before, what does it stand for?

Want It More. Basically, you use it to gauge how much somebody is trying to win and how much effort they're putting into the game.

[Roden]

Also due to past experience with this strat, please nobody allude to being VT in any way here. Because if we only half ass the plan and have people claim not-Tracker, all it does it make it easier for scum to narrow down who to NK tonight.

[Spangled]

Also due to past experience with this strat, please nobody allude to being VT in any way here. Because if we only half ass the plan and have people claim not-Tracker, all it does it make it easier for scum to narrow down who to NK tonight.

I think the general rule is never claim VT, really, unless we’re doing a massclaim.

[Roden]

Also due to past experience with this strat, please nobody allude to being VT in any way here. Because if we only half ass the plan and have people claim not-Tracker, all it does it make it easier for scum to narrow down who to NK tonight.

I think the general rule is never claim VT, really, unless we’re doing a massclaim.

True, I'm just reiterating since that actually happened in my scum game when T3 tried this strat.

[DArby]

VOTE: Thynhith

Lack of vowels. That's going to be annyoing.

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

..and we get to E-1 on page 3 - darby did you know that spangled was at E-2 before you voted him?

I misread. I thought his vote put Thynhith at E-1
UNVOTE:

[DArby]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13027567]
I understand your hesitance, but it's something we kinda have to decide on sooner rather than later if it's going to work.[/quote]
Then should we put it to a vote so we don’t have to worry about it being half assed or not.

[DArby]

I understand your hesitance, but it's something we kinda have to decide on sooner rather than later if it's going to work.

Then should we put it to a vote so we don’t have to worry about it being half assed or not.

EBWOP. Jeez.

[DArby]

y’know, I always thought Ringo was the least interesting of the Beatles

VOTE: Spangled

so who was the least interesting, if not Ringo, huh?
thinks ringo’s the most interesting beatle = scummy
VOTE: DArby

I never said I disagreed with you but that doesn’t mean I like it.