newbie 2080: correct statements (this is over)

[Spangled]

I understand your hesitance, but it's something we kinda have to decide on sooner rather than later if it's going to work.

Then should we put it to a vote so we don’t have to worry about it being half assed or not.

EBWOP. Jeez.

Yeah, I think that’s not a bad idea. I’d like Cook to explain it a little more first.

In the meantime, DArby, what do you think of Galron?

[Cook]

back now.

Cook's Handy, Dandy Plan

1. Tracker claims Day One. If nobody claims Tracker we just eliminated three setups (A2, B1, and B3).
   Protectives go on the Tracker claim. This will mean that the Tracker is jailkept in A2 and protected in B3.
   
   Tracker reports result D2. If Tracker claims blocked then we know we're in A2 and play the Tracker as an IC. If scum tries to ride the towncred then they're functionally down a player.
   If Tracker claims a result we just go Follow The Cop from here since Mafia only gets a rolecop.
   
2. If no Tracker claims then we have a normal D1 with a normal D1 elimination.
   
3. D2, Cop claims with result. Scum killing either the cop or their clear will result in the other one being IC'd the next day, therefore they must shoot elsewhere.
   
   If Masons exist then one Mason claims Cop with a clear on their partner, since either one dying proves the other one.
   
   If Scum tries to do this with partners then we'll end up 1-for-1'ing cop claims and we'll invariably win.
   
4. If you get an FN message, claim it but not who sent it. If you or the FN are run up to E-1 you may claim the message. We will preserve the FN from elimination for one night to let them send another message, if someone reports it the next day the FN is cleared. Jailkeeper, if there's a claimed FN don't prot them for one night, let them get a message – if scum kills them that leaves us rolecop vs jailkeeper, which we can win. This is our worst possible configuration.
   
5. Prots don't claim unless you're at E-1 or you need to counterclaim.

[Cook]

In Short:

If You're Tracker

1. Claim D1
2. Visit someone tonight
3. Claim your result D2
4. If you were blocked you're our Bulletproof IC
5. If you were not blocked we'll play Follow The Cop assuming there's no FN

If You're Cop

1. Don't claim yet
2. Visit someone tonight
3. Claim your result D2
4. We'll soft-clear both you and your target
5. If you die you're proven to be telling the truth

If You're Friendly Neighbor

1. Visit someone tonight
2. Wait for them to claim your message
3. Don't claim until either of you are at E-1

If You're Mason

1. Don't claim yet
2. D2, claim a cop clear on your partner
3. We'll treat you like a cop + a clear

If You're Doctor

1. Don't claim until E-1
2. Stay on a claimed Tracker/Cop

If You're Jailkeeper

1. Don't claim until E-1
2. Stay on a claimed Tracker
3. If an FN clears wait a night before locking on to them

If You're Vanilla Townie

1. Don't claim "not-{role}"
2. Don't claim or soft-claim until E-1

[Spangled]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

[Spangled]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it? :D
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

[Galron]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

[Galron]

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I didnt read it. I think you're scum though.

[Spangled]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

Why didn’t you read it?

also, could you case me?

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

[Galron]

Four pages I guess. Same thing.

[DArby]

VOTE: Spangled

Trying to make sense of it all is a scum tell.

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

Wait what you voted for him twice in a row. Why are you tunneling him? Am I missing something?

I understand your hesitance, but it's something we kinda have to decide on sooner rather than later if it's going to work.

Then should we put it to a vote so we don’t have to worry about it being half assed or not.

EBWOP. Jeez.

Yeah, I think that’s not a bad idea. I’d like Cook to explain it a little more first.

In the meantime, DArby, what do you think of Galron?

I feel Galron's anti-town but I dunno if that makes him scum. Yet.

[DArby]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

Also why not read it? Very much anti-town

VOTE: Galron

[DArby]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

I disagree and this read doesn't feel natural to me.

[Spangled]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it? :D
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

no, there’s not enough to case me on, fair enough

but in the first one I’m looking for problems with Cook’s plan, to see if she has answers for those problems
in the second I’m talking to you, in rather the same way you talked to me, and then asking you what you think about something we might do, which is more game-advancing/consensus-building than anything particular you’ve done

maybe you see my tone as bad, which is fair, I guess, but at the very least I’ve asked for opinions on subjects, which is the most game-advancing thing anyone’s done so far

except your and Cook’s votes on me I guess lmao that’s funny

[Spangled]

Why do you think Galron’s anti-town, DArby?
like he’s voting me, but what has he done that’s anti-town?

[Spangled]

*except not read Cook’s stuff, but that can easily be attributed to laziness, rather than malice

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

no, there’s not enough to case me on, fair enough

but in the first one I’m looking for problems with Cook’s plan, to see if she has answers for those problems
in the second I’m talking to you, in rather the same way you talked to me, and then asking you what you think about something we might do, which is more game-advancing/consensus-building than anything particular you’ve done

maybe you see my tone as bad, which is fair, I guess, but at the very least I’ve asked for opinions on subjects, which is the most game-advancing thing anyone’s done so far

except your and Cook’s votes on me I guess lmao that’s funny

I have no response other than this.

[Galron]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it?
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

I disagree and this read doesn't feel natural to me.

Natural or not, that's what I've got. If you think I added a bit of aspertame, that's fine.

[Galron]

*except not read Cook’s stuff, but that can easily be attributed to laziness, rather than malice

As a clue it's not laziness, it's apathy.

[Galron]

Didn't read Cook's stuff.

VOTE: spangled

Also why not read it? Very much anti-town

VOTE: Galron

At least it's a vote for a decent reason.

[DArby]

Why do you think Galron’s anti-town, DArby?
like he’s voting me, but what has he done that’s anti-town?

It’s less that he’s voting you and more so that he voted twice for the same person in a row. Sure he doesn’t have to read everything but if he doesn’t want to read it provide something to counter the main discussion. Though, how can he have the second highest post count and not have anything substantial to say on the matter?

It all feels like anti-town busywork. I’ll take a look at his meta sometime in the next 24 hours and see if this is how he plays but I don’t trust it.

Before I sleep:

@Galron: why are you apathetic? How would you rather scum hunt?

[Spangled]

*except not read Cook’s stuff, but that can easily be attributed to laziness, rather than malice

As a clue it's not laziness, it's apathy.

yeah, fair, sorry
that was, if not an insult, something that’s insulting, and I apologise for it

pedit
voting for someone twice in a row can make sense, though; the first was RVS, I think, but this one shows he’s serious about it
I see you on the busywork, though, but so far no one’s said

too

much

[Spangled]

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

I don't think Ringo was the Crowell. But I will say that George is the most interesting, or at least deepest. Ringo did some good work in the 70s, and some of it, like Goodnight Vienna, was with help with his former bandmates. But probably the best thing he did was the All-Star Band, inviting different musicians in.

But after you're a Beatle, wtf is expected of you anyway? I'm happy Ringo cleansed his body and cleansed his soul. I wish John had had the same opportunity.

heh true
the Beatles could have laid back all the rest of their lives and we wouldn’t have the right to think ill of them

I watched an interesting movie, called Yesterday, a bit ago, that wonders, what if suddenly, for everyone but this random budding musician, the Beatles had never existed, or rather, never gotten together as a band?
and y’know the protagonist, this budding musician, goes and meets one of the Beatles who was never a Beatle, and asks him if he’s had a good life

I don’t know where I was going with that, but it was very interesting

I want to watch that move, but I'm afraid that I won't be able to supress my pendatic soul.

it’s a trouble, being a pedant, isn’t it? :D
I just can’t watch the Hobbit trilogy without being in pain for about half of it, because damnit it’s just so wrong
so so wrong

But Galron — what do you think of Cook’s plan, now that she’s outlined it in this thread?

I can't case you on two pages, but these two posts are +scum.

no, there’s not enough to case me on, fair enough

but in the first one I’m looking for problems with Cook’s plan, to see if she has answers for those problems
in the second I’m talking to you, in rather the same way you talked to me, and then asking you what you think about something we might do, which is more game-advancing/consensus-building than anything particular you’ve done

maybe you see my tone as bad, which is fair, I guess, but at the very least I’ve asked for opinions on subjects, which is the most game-advancing thing anyone’s done so far

except your and Cook’s votes on me I guess lmao that’s funny

I have no response other than this.

I’m So Meta, Even This Acronym

fair enough, I guess
I like reasons for reads, more so yet if they’re on me :D
But I can understand it being more a gut feeling

[Galron]

Why do you think Galron’s anti-town, DArby?
like he’s voting me, but what has he done that’s anti-town?

It’s less that he’s voting you and more so that he voted twice for the same person in a row. Sure he doesn’t have to read everything but if he doesn’t want to read it provide something to counter the main discussion. Though, how can he have the second highest post count and not have anything substantial to say on the matter?

It all feels like anti-town busywork. I’ll take a look at his meta sometime in the next 24 hours and see if this is how he plays but I don’t trust it.

Before I sleep:

@Galron: why are you apathetic? How would you rather scum hunt?

I don't really have a handle on this game yet. Well, maybe a little. I'll let Will Geer in on this; I mean that was six or seven seasons on the Walons and he almost always had a line on everyone in the cast.

Truth be told, I'm not so much of a scum hunter as a town hunter. I can spot a John Boy. But if you want me to find an Ashley Longworth, Sr or Jr, it takes me a bit of work.