Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m not sure that litigating this specific point is the best use of either of your time at the moment

I happen to agree.

What's your read on Dwlee? Because at this point, I'm seeing a lot of possible faked anger, starting from the initial fuck off to now, that I think might be AtE deflection.

I’ll get back to you on my read, they’ve been heavily null territory for the bulk of the game

I think regardless of alignment their emotion here is real, whether incredulous town or scum caught for the wrong reasons

mmm, you don't think it's being generated for this purpose of outrage?

Though, I suppose it could be generated for that and also be real...

Fair enough.

I've reached the end point of the usefulness of interrogating Dwlee, I'd rather have others examine this exchange and give their own views on it. Fresh content, as it were.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

My evidence is that every single time someone pushes me in this way they've been scum. Pooky in Dogs v Cats, Menalque in Dead Silence, Guillotina in MT 2225, goats in white flag, probably others I'm forgetting.

That's... not remotely evidence.

Also, we have Pooky in this game to speak to about this.

Pooky, in your experience in Dogs vs. Cats, am I pushing the same way you were?

It actually feels more like D1 of Yggradasil when you decided to rescue one scum buddy by yeeting another scum buddy cuz u figured if you were going to lose a bad guy to us on d1 u might as well get something for it.

[Dwlee99]

Previous post cause lld said it was a lie about her Murdercat push. Look at what he says: no benefit of the doubt, opportunistic after the mention of a scumread, etc.

That aggressive poking is scummy. That's the entire point. And notice how she is using this push on me to try to reach out into the rest of the game. It's tunnel -> interact by asking opinions on me. It's an inorganic way to get engaged because it's focusing on a specific spot to generate content on cause it's much easier to just post about one person than 12.

None of that really explains to me why that’s scummy, unfortunately.

Most of the ways I try to interact with the game as town upon entering are frankly inorganic

I’m just not making the leap from aggressive poking to scum, because also aggressive poking is just like a hallmark of LLD’s play. It feels like you’re poking at a play style thing here, and tbh the argument that scum has done this to you before doesn’t hold a lot of water for me and I don’t think it should for you either

No townie has ever done this kind of push on me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

Compare this to this game where I have

Asked you questions

given you the benefit of the doubt in terms of wanting to explain your reads

asked others for their opinion on you

and actively tried to sort you

just because I've ended up on "you look scummy" doesn't mean that I'm doing what I did to MC that game, which was deny MC access to all their allies by boxing them out and painting them with a broad bad brush every chance I got.

Which is... actually not remotely what like I'm doing here, given you have more than enough attempts to prove yourself from my questions and interrogation?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and I didnt even push D-lee in Dogs V Cats

I just called him a scumbag.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think you should compile your evidence instead of tacking it on through practice

If your conviction is strong enough on LLD, I'm willing to listen. I just don't know if I believe it given how circumstantial it is?

My evidence is that every single time someone pushes me in this way they've been scum. Pooky in Dogs v Cats, Menalque in Dead Silence, Guillotina in MT 2225, goats in white flag, probably others I'm forgetting.

That's... not remotely evidence.

Also, we have Pooky in this game to speak to about this.

Pooky, in your experience in Dogs vs. Cats, am I pushing the same way you were?

It actually feels more like D1 of Yggradasil when you decided to rescue one scum buddy by yeeting another scum buddy cuz u figured if you were going to lose a bad guy to us on d1 u might as well get something for it.

Oh really?

so you'll help me bus Dwlee, then Pooky?

[Dwlee99]

Like even going back to 6 years ago I remember Elyse doing a push on me like this and she was serial killer and no one listened to me and she won the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure I remember just ignoring you in Cats v Dogs because your thread influence was so low in that game that I didn't actually care about you suspecting me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and one more thing? I didn't play in Yggdrasil at all. I wasn't there. You're talking about a different person.

Which makes the comparison a bit more funny.

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

Compare this to this game where I have

Asked you questions

given you the benefit of the doubt in terms of wanting to explain your reads

asked others for their opinion on you

and actively tried to sort you

just because I've ended up on "you look scummy" doesn't mean that I'm doing what I did to MC that game, which was deny MC access to all their allies by boxing them out and painting them with a broad bad brush every chance I got.

Which is... actually not remotely what like I'm doing here, given you have more than enough attempts to prove yourself from my questions and interrogation?

That's not what you've done at all. Every question is a leading one to the conclusion of me being scum and you went straight into tunnel mode

[unwnd]

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

[the worst]

I know; Isis used a post-restricted alt in another game as Brave Heart Lion. I ate a bowl of irony for breakfast this morning and now I'm calling the trees outside my window roleblockers

i like u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and I didnt even push D-lee in Dogs V Cats

I just called them a scumbag.

fixed pronoun sorry bud!

[Dwlee99]

and I didnt even push D-lee in Dogs V Cats

I just called him a scumbag.

But all of your content was focused on me and beeboy! slot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh, and one more thing? I didn't play in Yggdrasil at all. I wasn't there. You're talking about a different person.

Which makes the comparison a bit more funny.

well I'm not sure what I'm comparing to then lol

I still feel great about yeeting duckie cuz I think he's scummy af but like if you're going to give me the 100% guranteed slam dunk on D-lee on d1 I wouldn't pass that up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and I didnt even push D-lee in Dogs V Cats

I just called him a scumbag.

But all of your content was focused on me and beeboy! slot

p sure I gave my homie murdercat some love too

[Gorkington]

think my read on dwlee comes out closer to townlean from the interaction?

@LLD

i recognize that i said that people were demotivated, but the wagon on the worst was starting to gain some momentum right before you did that. did you see that was happening and think that the game was still dead?

[the worst]

i just repped into this game and it just finished today so i can link it

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87460

duck is town in this game and got n1ed

look at his iso there and here

its like night and day difference

i mean comparing a game where i was confident and had strong reads to *waves at mini 2241* is like, a recipe for a bad time. fwiw i prefer scum.

[Dwlee99]

How would you handle this situation differently if you were actually scum Dwlee? The questions are piling up but like

The floor is all yours right now lol

Probably similarly cause I'd be mimicking my reaction to this in the past. My goal would be to just not get in this situation which I would do by not picking a fight with LLD

[the worst]

I actually, before opening this thread and this page, was thinking "I think worst is having too much fun in the Shea theme to be town. Also based just on my mood in the Shea theme it's weird I'm not scum.

So the way the posting itt lines up against that is amusing.

lol, this one actually tracks.

[Kazyan]

Dwlee hasn't tilted like this in either of their scumgames that I've been in, for what it's worth. My impression of Dwlee's scumgame is that it's hard to set them off like this and they're just actually a peeved townie

At one point I nailed the scumteam in Mini 2232 and Dwlee didn't care at all

[Lady Lambdadelta]

think my read on dwlee comes out closer to townlean from the interaction?

@LLD

i recognize that i said that people were demotivated, but the wagon on the worst was starting to gain some momentum right before you did that. did you see that was happening and think that the game was still dead?

Yes. The Worst felt like an apathy "eh, sure" wagon. Even if we end on the Worst, I wanted to create new data for people to parse.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: LLD
I'll consolidate when I have to but I want bragging rights of having my vote on scum D1

Like sure I could do this as scum but I typically play ok the safer side there because I know any push on me will actually be legit and I'll have trouble fighting it off because of that

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee hasn't tilted like this in either of their scumgames that I've been in, for what it's worth. My impression of Dwlee's scumgame is that it's hard to set them off like this and they're just actually a peeved townie

At one point I nailed the scumteam in Mini 2232 and Dwlee didn't care at all

Didn't you describe me as tilted on the last day of 2232?

[Kazyan]

You were, but that was on Day 8 after several days of being solo and me turning on you at the last minute