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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:45 pm

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In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.
No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:46 pm

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In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario
A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:56 pm

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In post 375, House wrote: Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.
In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
I'm a little confused here.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:05 pm

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In post 363, House wrote:I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.
scope of this discussion has expanded but its always good to remember mafia could nk to "disprove" a vig
though with the complex modifier, that may be unlikely
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm

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okay so if there are more mafia prs than just the bp traitor, I still have a chance to vig them
if not them im basically a risky cop?
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm

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or "vanilla cop" or whatever its called
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm

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or
you know what mean
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:12 pm

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I think house means, it's almost guaranteed there is a non-traitor mafia member who is a pr?
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:13 pm

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Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:15 pm

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actually I think you both are saying the same thing
I'm not actually back but I'm checking in, which has apparently been a mistake because I'm all over the place
In post 362, Jacket wrote:I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.
well thats just cause you're scummy
is that a take ive posted yet?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:17 pm

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In post 377, Three wrote:
In post 375, House wrote: Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.
In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
I'm a little confused here.
Quote the whole post.

That should erase your confusion.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:19 pm

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In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:42 pm

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In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
In post 385, House wrote:
In post 377, Three wrote:
In post 375, House wrote: Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.
In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
I'm a little confused here.
Quote the whole post.

That should erase your confusion.
Or...explain your point.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:51 pm

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In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:52 pm

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In post 388, Three wrote:
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:57 pm

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In post 375, House wrote:
In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.
No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.
Self-explanatory
In post 376, House wrote:
In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario
A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
In post 389, Three wrote: Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?
Ta-Da~
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:16 pm

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I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:33 pm

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In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:58 pm

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In post 388, Three wrote:
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
jeez rude, I'm still a member of town and that has value.
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:00 pm

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like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:03 pm

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In post 393, redtea wrote:true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:03 pm

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i'll post my queer flag collection asdkjfnladsknf would that clear me
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:04 pm

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In post 394, redtea wrote:like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.
If we hit scum, shoot.

If not, holster.

Just like any other vig.

Just don't jump to conclusions unless a goon flips.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:06 pm

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In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:06 pm

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In post 395, House wrote:
In post 393, redtea wrote:true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.
I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
Unless there's like no or few other town prs
I'm not rolefishing here btw, no one out themself to help my case

pedit sounds like a plan house
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