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[House]

Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.

No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

[House]

The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

[Three]

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

I'm a little confused here.

[redtea]

I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.

scope of this discussion has expanded but its always good to remember mafia could nk to "disprove" a vig
though with the complex modifier, that may be unlikely

[redtea]

okay so if there are more mafia prs than just the bp traitor, I still have a chance to vig them
if not them im basically a risky cop?

[redtea]

or "vanilla cop" or whatever its called

[redtea]

or
you know what mean

[redtea]

I think house means, it's almost guaranteed there is a non-traitor mafia member who is a pr?

[redtea]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

[redtea]

actually I think you both are saying the same thing
I'm not actually back but I'm checking in, which has apparently been a mistake because I'm all over the place

I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.

well thats just cause you're scummy
is that a take ive posted yet?

[House]

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

I'm a little confused here.

Quote the whole post.

That should erase your confusion.

[House]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

[Three]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

I'm a little confused here.

Quote the whole post.

That should erase your confusion.

Or...explain your point.

[Three]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?

[Three]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?

Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?

[House]

Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.

No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

Self-explanatory

The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?

Ta-Da~

[Three]

I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.

[House]

I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.

I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.

[redtea]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?

jeez rude, I'm still a member of town and that has value.

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

[redtea]

like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.

[House]

true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.

[redtea]

i'll post my queer flag collection asdkjfnladsknf would that clear me

[House]

like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.

If we hit scum, shoot.

If not, holster.

Just like any other vig.

Just don't jump to conclusions unless a goon flips.

[Three]

I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.

I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.

Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.

[redtea]

true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.

I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
Unless there's like no or few other town prs
I'm not rolefishing here btw, no one out themself to help my case

pedit sounds like a plan house