Open 828 | The Brethren Coalition | Game Over!

[Save The Dragons]

But you dont want that because I'm in it, right

[cyrus62]

Don't mind me I just say whatever I'm thinking lol.

[Farren]

But you dont want that because I'm in it, right

If that's to me, then yes, that's correct.

[Save The Dragons]

But I'm town :<

[cyrus62]

But you dont want that because I'm in it, right

This is what makes me sketching on save the dragon is stuff like this.

[Save The Dragons]

Why doesn't kyouko wig you out, farren?

[cyrus62]

Lurking creeps me out.

[Farren]

But you dont want that because I'm in it, right

This is what makes me sketching on save the dragon is stuff like this.

See, for me, this is actually a plus.

But I'm town :<

This, however, is a minus.

[Save The Dragons]

I even used the :< emoticon and everything

[cyrus62]

I don't like ssbm . So I don't trust ferren as a result. Maybe it's simply how they tried useing my play on hurting your self so I could trust you. I never ment you had to unvote it was me asking for a act of faith. Note I heard my self only after scum heals ne. Since even they knew they couldn't attemp to prove I wasn't town.

[Farren]

Why doesn't kyouko wig you out, farren?

She probably would have wigged me out a few games ago.

Town doesn't know the answers. Scum does. Town's supposed to tell the truth; scum's supposed to lie. So logically, the ones who are overly confident - and shouldn't be - are the ones to watch out for.
Except for some players, that's not the way it works. I don't know why - but I've seen it too often to be able to deny it.

Right now, her agenda - and this should not be taken to mean 'scum agenda' - seems to revolve around keeping Nathann out. I don't see that being much benefit to scum|her, given that she's got low odds of making it into the Coalition. It doesn't feel fake to me; feels real, even if I disagree with it.

[cyrus62]

Ssbm so me why nathann is scum. Besides the he hurt him self thing. I hurt my self heck almost every one did at least five. . So tell me how he is scum. . Maybe you can improve my odds. On wining tell me who I should replace nathann with besides you.

[MathBlade]

Okay noted so?

Do you think that matters?

Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.

My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.

Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.

I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.

I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.

I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.

this reads as in tmi. As if you know for a fact you already know your partner is in the 5.

Again for those in the back. I literally do not care about who is in it as long as we have a coalition quickly.

Why did you ignore my question about unvoting Pav in your coalition?

[MathBlade]

Modifying redtea's list with this change:

cyrus62 - (9)
Pavowski - (8)
Save The Dragons - (7 >>> 6)
Nathann - (4 >>> 5)
Farren - (4 >>> 5)
Hakai - (4 >>> 3)
MathBlade - (2)
ssbm_Kyouko - (2)
Enchant - (0)

I will end up my coalition in the AM. I had something come up and it’s close to bed I just wanted to catch up.

[MathBlade]

HURT: All
HEAL: Farren
HEAL: cyrus62
HEAL: Pavowski
HEAL: Nathann
HEAL: ssbm_kyouko

Back to read order. Mathblade's on the border of my Coalition.

this sucks. I do not agree with this 5. I think that five has scum in it,

Again who cares?

Imho if scum is in it is not a good reason to veto a coalition imho.
It should be if you think the scum in it would survive to end game.

Because if you think the scum in it gets eliminated day one if scum then the risk is rather minimal.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade’s* play comes ass lamest shallow even. Hasn't given us any reason to trust him. And I already scum read yessir

Good thing I am not scum and angling for trust.

I am angling to pigeonhole scum.

Scum care about the composition.

I would like an all town team but I would much rather have a good feeling about majority of people then if I disagree on one universally TRd person fine because then they’re probably elimmed.

[MathBlade]

Not going to switch now. But I will point this out - aimed at the group, not cyrus specifically.

Mathblade's said he'll heal the five most healed people. Right now, that is: cyrus62, Pavowski, Save The Dragons, Nathann, me. That is also both Nathann's and Save The Dragons's current Coalition, which (assuming Mathblade doesn't change his mind AND no one changes the balance) will make 3/5 votes for a Coalition.

This is still correct. I will swap in the AM

[MathBlade]

Why doesn't kyouko wig you out, farren?

She probably would have wigged me out a few games ago.

Town doesn't know the answers. Scum does. Town's supposed to tell the truth; scum's supposed to lie. So logically, the ones who are overly confident - and shouldn't be - are the ones to watch out for.
Except for some players, that's not the way it works. I don't know why - but I've seen it too often to be able to deny it.

Right now, her agenda - and this should not be taken to mean 'scum agenda' - seems to revolve around keeping Nathann out. I don't see that being much benefit to scum|her, given that she's got low odds of making it into the Coalition. It doesn't feel fake to me; feels real, even if I disagree with it.

I will have to catch up on that but scum her does have an agenda if partnered with Nathan or if it’s just busy work to look like reads. Will have to see what shakes out.

[Farren]

HURT: ssbm_Kyouku
HEAL: Mathblade

[Nathann]

We're actually starting to look close-ish, here. STD how do you feel about hakai?

How do you feel about Hakai still? Going through your ISO, I see one early "liking where he's going" read, and not much updated stuff. If you're still (at least somewhat) certain in him being Town, mind trying to convince me?

Can someone say who they absolutely want in the coalition please? Only one name allowed no naming yourself.

As of right now, that's probably cyrus for me. Pavowski is a somewhat close second.

I was under the impression that 481 is just, common sense on how this setup should be played, but anyway. Obviously agreed with that plan. Though also agreed that we shouldn't wait for the last possible moment to form the Coalition so that we have time to agree on the yeet afterwards if it fails. Maybe with ~3 days left on the clock?

I think instantly winning is a pipe dream and the more time we have for an elim the better.

I find Math's posting up to this point weird. (Not really Scummy, just weird.) If I recall correctly, about half of all runs of this setup ended up with a winning Coalition. Why such pessimism? Also, I find it kinda odd that you'd rather have more time for a yeet after a failed Coalition than put in some of that extra time

into

trying to get a winning Coalition.

Not sure if it comes from Scum, though. If Math's partner is already deep in the Coalition, then this kind of rushing and keeping himself out of it just makes him looks worse later on. And if his partner isn't in the Coalition, then Math is gamethrowing? Hm. Maybe that's what he wants me to think so we put him into the Coalition, oh the wine.

Bottom of page 21, I'll be back later.

[Nathann]

i think i'm still at the same place got 4 i like still looking for a 5th.

HEAL: Farren

What convinced you to add Farren as your 5th?

Ssbm so me why nathann is scum. Besides the he hurt him self thing.

That's not why Kyouko suspects me, she suspects me because I said the words "theoretical disagreement" twice in the same post. Even though there were two theoretical disagreements at play and she didn't even notice that which means she didn't even understand the post correctly but here we are I guess.

Imho if scum is in it is not a good reason to veto a coalition imho.

Except Town has managed to dig themselves out of a failed Coalition only once in all of history of this setup, so. I'd say it's a pretty decent reason to veto it.

[Nathann]

Also for the record (since there's talk in adding more votes to the Coalition I'm currently voting), I'm rethinking both Farren and Save The Dragon's positions in it. Maybe Save The Dragon's moreso. But I'm not sure if I even have anyone to replace them with. MathBlade is a potential candidate (pending on his thoughts once he actually reads the game or at least some parts of it), but the other three... Still thinking Hakai is Scummy, and both Kyouko and Enchant are also acting Scummy, and while I have some weird gut thoughts they might be Townie (mostly because the things they're doing feel nonsensical for Scum), they're definitely not trying to actually act like it, which uh. Complicates things a bit.

[Pavowski]

How do you feel about Hakai still? Going through your ISO, I see one early "liking where he's going" read, and not much updated stuff. If you're still (at least somewhat) certain in him being Town, mind trying to convince me?

I'm planning to revisit some reads today, and Hakai is top of my list for that. I liked his early energy but he feels a little bit lurky now, which I don't love.

[Pavowski]

In post 43, yessiree wrote:
Hey guys, I only know a few people here

Errr I meant ahoy mateys I've only seen some of yous 'round'ere
This post is very slightly towny, scum probably won't be awkward in-thread

This townread is weak as hell from Hakai, actually.

[Pavowski]

Er the formatting broke on that one but you get the idea.