Newbie 2078 - Game Over

[RCEnigma]

The order doesn't really matter, both routes win the game. VOTE: Greeting

[Greeting]

Oh well, I was wrong. Well, technically not very wrong since I did not remove UhUh from suspect list, but Dorsey did not lie about being JK.

What more can I say?

[Greeting]

Anyways, I’n vanilla town. Y’all can vote me out if you want.

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[AlwaysNever]

Hmm leaning kennyk

VOTE: Greeting

will post why after my class is over, but I've said on my reads that a certain flip of certain players would made me instantly scumlean him, and that Dorsey JK flip was one of those.

If I take a look at what happened with a neutral view, those are the two names that would come to my mind. Let me explain you why:
UhUh voted exactly once on day 1 an 2. On D1 the vote was on my slot and on D2 it was on Dorsey. Each time is was an early vote that was never changed. But what is most interesting about the voting is, UhUh was not on the train that eliminated TL/Hockey on D1. So one confirmed scum wasn't on it. I know it is not impossible, but how big are the chances, that no scum was on that train? I guess that those chances are low.

So who was on that train when the hammer fell? The votecount says kennyk, Greeting, GrandpaMo, Dorsey, RCEnigma. With Dorsey that leaves four possible suspects.

At the time Dorsey claimed, there were three votes on them: Greeting, UhUhWaitAndSee, kennyk. With UhUh now being confscum that leaves two votes that coincidently were on the Hockey-train as well: me and Greeting. The question is of mafia went on this train with all might to stop an UhUh elim or not. If so, it are those two names.

And as I know my role, for me this just leaves Greeting. So I would really like to go with him as I had him on my scumlean list yesterday. If you all agree to elim me first it is OK with me as long as you elim him tomorrow.

VOTE: Greeting

btw just wanna point out, it's kinda unfair to bring d1 wagon at this point cause your slot was kind of empty going to the end of d1, and so we have no info on how your slot going to vote on that wagon.

In the end though, the game I guess is kinda solved, no matter the order we go through. Dorsey is right, once again. Is there a way to end it quicker, like endgame it? In a FM game in another forum, they can end it by voting up an endgame plan, I assume that those rule can't be done here?

[AlwaysNever]

also I'm kinda curious who Dorsey jailed last night, and was about to ask the one on their wagon if they're blocked, then I read Titus's post from Page 1 and realized that roleblock are silent. took me a month to find out, yikes.

[kennyk]

Hmm leaning kennyk

VOTE: Greeting

will post why after my class is over, but I've said on my reads that a certain flip of certain players would made me instantly scumlean him, and that Dorsey JK flip was one of those.

If I take a look at what happened with a neutral view, those are the two names that would come to my mind. Let me explain you why:
UhUh voted exactly once on day 1 an 2. On D1 the vote was on my slot and on D2 it was on Dorsey. Each time is was an early vote that was never changed. But what is most interesting about the voting is, UhUh was not on the train that eliminated TL/Hockey on D1. So one confirmed scum wasn't on it. I know it is not impossible, but how big are the chances, that no scum was on that train? I guess that those chances are low.

So who was on that train when the hammer fell? The votecount says kennyk, Greeting, GrandpaMo, Dorsey, RCEnigma. With Dorsey that leaves four possible suspects.

At the time Dorsey claimed, there were three votes on them: Greeting, UhUhWaitAndSee, kennyk. With UhUh now being confscum that leaves two votes that coincidently were on the Hockey-train as well: me and Greeting. The question is of mafia went on this train with all might to stop an UhUh elim or not. If so, it are those two names.

And as I know my role, for me this just leaves Greeting. So I would really like to go with him as I had him on my scumlean list yesterday. If you all agree to elim me first it is OK with me as long as you elim him tomorrow.

VOTE: Greeting

btw just wanna point out, it's kinda unfair to bring d1 wagon at this point cause your slot was kind of empty going to the end of d1, and so we have no info on how your slot going to vote on that wagon.

In the end though, the game I guess is kinda solved, no matter the order we go through. Dorsey is right, once again. Is there a way to end it quicker, like endgame it? In a FM game in another forum, they can end it by voting up an endgame plan, I assume that those rule can't be done here?

Do you mean I am unfair to my own slot? Interesting

[GrandpaMo]

ok because why is everyone sheeping me


me being hammer is uber town > but i think we just win the game if we either go kennyk or greeting.

i think scum is just that lol

scum played well early day 1 -- i felt tho it was starting to get obvious when associative reads did happen.

i do wanna say whoever was scum, uhuh carried.

i still do believe that always never is town

the only world where its not greting or kennyk its where its either rc or alwaysnever

i will probably need to iso them to make sure.

because i do kinda wanna say RC did have a bad eod of day 2 so yea

[GrandpaMo]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

[GrandpaMo]

Oh well, I was wrong. Well, technically not very wrong since I did not remove UhUh from suspect list, but Dorsey did not lie about being JK.

What more can I say?

what?

dorsey was always JK there? Why does mafia fake claim? with Titus being outted.


And towncred to you becuase Uhuh was in your poe, but you have not voted them?

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Greeting

i think we win this game.

gg

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

Yes.

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one

can

be scum per game mechanics.

I can see that some of you (RCE, AlwaysNever) believe that the game is solved, but if you’re wrong about kennyk (you clearly are wrong about me) then we lose 4 townies during the course of this Day, the following one and two Night Phases.

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

i think we win this game.

gg

Since that was hammer, I can say that no, you voted out a townie.

[GrandpaMo]

fuck fuck fuck i just realized kenny fucking scumslipped LOL

[GrandpaMo]

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

eh u should sometimes. nvm i was gonna say like i to wuld helkp me to be town but then it would just getinto wifom.

but yea thats makes u look bad for not believing dorsey's claim :/

[GrandpaMo]

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one can be scum per game mechanics.

im mainly poeing u and kenny bazsed on associatie reads with uh uh.

there was limited interaction between u and him + RC why do u think i put RC on the table.

uhuh and always never are never scum/scum together just because of earlier.

and everyone else who was uhuh died as town.

so im rereading the game this night if im not dead

[GrandpaMo]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

Yes.

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one

can

be scum per game mechanics.

I can see that some of you (RCE, AlwaysNever) believe that the game is solved, but if you’re wrong about kennyk (you clearly are wrong about me) then we lose 4 townies during the course of this Day, the following one and two Night Phases.

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

this also doesnt answer my question maybe im not wrong

[Greeting]

For reasons stated earlier.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

hm wait., this is interesting.

why dod you scumread me, do u think i would hammer my teammate?

Yes.

You guys seem to believe that the voting tally is the absolute key to solving the game. This logic, although classic mafia strategies support it, has a major flaw - there is two other than UhUh players who voted Dorsey and only one

can

be scum per game mechanics.

I can see that some of you (RCE, AlwaysNever) believe that the game is solved, but if you’re wrong about kennyk (you clearly are wrong about me) then we lose 4 townies during the course of this Day, the following one and two Night Phases.

I’m not going to fight against myself being voted out - if that leads town to victory then so be it.

I saw Dorsey’s claim before I went to sleep and I just simply didn’t believe him. That’s all.

this also doesnt answer my question maybe im not wrong

You'll find out soon enough

Maybe you guys are right about kennyk, since my other reads were clearly wrong. Don't trust GrandpaMo though.

Ciao!

[Micc]

Flip in about an hour.

[Micc]

Votecount 3.01

Greeting (4) -

AlwaysNever, kennyk, RCEnigma, GrandpaMo

GrandpaMo (1) -

Greeting

Not Voting (1) -

Titus

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.

[Micc]

Greeting has been eliminated Day 3. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 3. The deadline for Night 3 is in (expired on 2021-10-04 12:30:00).

[Micc]

Titus has been killed Night 3. She was a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

It is now Day 4.

Votecount 4.00

Not Voting (4) -

kennyk, AlwaysNever, GrandpaMo, RCEnigma

With 4 players alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2021-10-11 15:10:00).

[GrandpaMo]

ok i think as just much as i want to condemn kennyk here, i think the best option for us is to always nc here, since we are in a world of evens.

especially in this playerlist, where no one is dead -- the mafia kill does actually give us info.

VOTE: Sleep

[GrandpaMo]

also its just the most optimal mechancial play ^

[kennyk]

ok i think as just much as i want to condemn kennyk here, i think the best option for us is to always nc here, since we are in a world of evens.

especially in this playerlist, where no one is dead -- the mafia kill does actually give us info.

VOTE: Sleep

also its just the most optimal mechancial play ^

I like those posts. I thought that after Greetings flipped green I had handed over the whole game to scum with my theory. I was sure I was going to be quickly eliminated today. And that would have gotten us into a 2-1 night, 1-1 day --> game over for town.

I really thought tha Greetings could have been the one. But what really strikes me as odd is the fact, that that wagon got through so fast. No one doubted my theory of both mafia being on the Dorsey train. This doesn't feel good. So I had my doubts about Grandpa and RCE as they followed me more or less blindly and very fast. And both were on the train that hammered Hockey D1. As stated I think it is highly unlikely, that no scum was on that one. But on the other hand it is also possible, that if UhUh and Always were the scum team (both newbies) they tried to avoid just that.

I am begining to feel really paranoid.
Vote for Grandpa who hammered? But he made the posts above. But what if he wanted to pocket someone with them? But then again, why would he need to? He could have just voted me as I put myself in the spotlight D3.
Vote RCE for hopping on my train so fast? But what if Always played it really slow?

I really can't make up my mind right now.

VOTE: no elimination