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[T3]

like
gut
they feel really forced a lot

[Dwlee99]

That's weird cause I put basically no thought into the things I say

[T3]

Actually forced is the wrong word
the way you approach the game I always find myself scumreading

[Dwlee99]

Well anyway why is fua a better vote than three here?

[Save The Dragons]

god i reread the game and still came up with jack shit

[T3]

Well anyway why is fua a better vote than three here?

Because fua is literally arguing that one-liners are scummy and fua is misrepping the Three/House interaction.

[Save The Dragons]

do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Well anyway why is fua a better vote than three here?

Because fua is literally arguing that one-liners are scummy and fua is misrepping the Three/House interaction.

I didn't find the first thing to be what he was saying and what was the misrep?

[Dwlee99]

they* sorry

[T3]

Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

VOTE: Three

Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.

The last part of this post.

[Dwlee99]

Isn't three trying to get redtea killed or no?

[Three]

No.

[Three]

do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee

I voted Osetr because I didn't like them and because they would be a liability in ELo.

Dwlee so far is not that but also not much else either.

[cool cookie]

I think House’s claim of the real vig being able to CC with a bullet will be proof enough when Day 2 comes. Keep in mind that there

is

a vigilante or someone who shoots people in this game one way or another.

given House has since rescinded this, noting the traitor is bulletproof, this is a very bad take. would be good to see an explanation of the second sentence?

[cool cookie]

or "vanilla cop" or whatever its called

I think house means, it's almost guaranteed there is a non-traitor mafia member who is a pr?

a town vigilante who can literally only kill town would be a really crap town PR. even with 1-2 scum PRs here, I'm really struggling to see why we don't elim redtea today. If the claim is true, town perhaps only really gets value out of it once some claims are outted, and that doesn't seem wise today.

actually I think you both are saying the same thing
I'm not actually back but I'm checking in, which has apparently been a mistake because I'm all over the place

I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.

well thats just cause you're scummy
is that a take ive posted yet?

in Jacket's defence, I've pretty much agreed with everything Jacket has said since our last interaction.

[cool cookie]

like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.

in which case, you become effectively vanilla. so why not elim you?

true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.

ah yeah, that reminds me, the traitor is NK immune + gated (no specifics given beyond that). forgot to say that as i didn't really think it mattered, but perhaps it would be helpful when the traitor was trying to fashion a fakeclaim to also gate themselves.

Okay caught up didn't realize people did say I should claim
I'm a town complex vigilante. Explains the bulletproof mafia, but that's also why my claim might not be that helpful as the counterpart has already been revealed.

This claim seems too complicated to come from scum?

see above. also, is redtea the kind of player who just rolls over and dies as scum? i suppose my starting point would be, it's exactly the sort of claim which might get them out of trouble, which makes me instinctively struggle to believe it.

Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

VOTE: Three

Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.

my vote isn't moving off redtea today. essentially, i don't really buy the claim, and i don't think it ever gets resolved at night and it doesnt seem like a particularly good role we'd potentially be losing if we're wrong.

i sort of struggle to believe fua-scum would protect redtea-traitor like this though...

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Sure, I'll buy this and put some pressure here. I think trying to be quirky is weird too.

On reread, this does come off as really forced.

PE: Hoo boy.

when i initially read through it pinged me because it didn't make sense in context either, although perhaps I misremembered.

If we don’t believe the claim, then let the real vigilante shoot redtea at night. If redtea is still alive, that means that they’re a confirmed townie or we just found two scum covering for each other.

Or... and I'm just spitballing here... there may be no vig...

If there’s no vigilante, why would the traitor be bulletproof? Wouldn’t that mean cool cookie and redtea are both lying about the claim?

Unless you’re saying that it’s so mafia can’t actually kill the traitor, in which case what you’re saying is possible. I still don’t think Three’s posts are from someone who’s town-aligned.

traitors are often bulletproof so the mafia team dont accidentally kill them.

[cool cookie]

Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

VOTE: Three

Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.

This also comes across as really forced but I kind of agree with what you're saying.

oh dear

[House]

Hope you feel better. Sorry if I annoyed you.

Nah, you're good.

I was just in pain yesterday.

[House]

i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though

Eghhhh
I kind of see where jacket is coming from with fua obv scum though

How so?

Fua's vote on george gut pinged me as really terrible.

I see.

VOTE: Fua

uh....
Why?

I don't get this.

Between Jacket and you casing Fua, why are you confused about the vote?

This doesn't seem genuine.

[House]

this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics

People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s

I guess I should've said that it wasnt just the back and forth, but the vibes of it plus the fact it's all over the place
interesting tho

i think also it depends on the players

Fair.
I recently played a game where my scumpartner got into a fight with a townie that took up like half of the day and everyone wrote it off as tvt.

Do because of one instance of "shitfighting" being TvS, you consider it to be >rand TvS when it happens?

Ehhhh.

[House]

this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics

People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s

I guess I should've said that it wasnt just the back and forth, but the vibes of it plus the fact it's all over the place
interesting tho

i think also it depends on the players

Fair.
I recently played a game where my scumpartner got into a fight with a townie that took up like half of the day and everyone wrote it off as tvt.

So* because of one instance of "shitfighting" being TvS, you consider it to be >rand TvS when it happens?

Ehhhh.

Fix't

[House]

Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

VOTE: Three

Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.

This also comes across as really forced but I kind of agree with what you're saying.

I don't understand how these 2 statements can coexist in the same post about the same content.

Please explain.

[House]

I hate dwlee's posts but I also always hate his posts

t3 I will policy you wtf

This reads as kinda partnery. dwlee is shading T3, but simultaneously discrediting the shade by calling it policy.

If one flips red, I'm going to want the other one dead.

[Save The Dragons]

i like cool cookie and house for town

[House]

god i reread the game and still came up with jack shit

Really?